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Manuals you'll miss in 2019...

Post by Standardshifter » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:14 am

Started getting a list together of 2019 cars and trucks that come with a manuals.

I'm sad to see the Subaru Forester lose the manual. While not the best, it was rather unique and the last of the compact CUVs that offered a manual. Somewhat surprised it lasted through 2018.

The closest you'll be able to get now are offerings from Jeep and Mini, but they are a full class smaller.

What's losing a manual that you'll miss?
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Re: Manuals you'll miss in 2019...

Post by potownrob » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:55 am

Standardshifter wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:14 am
Started getting a list together of 2019 cars and trucks that come with a manuals.

I'm sad to see the Subaru Forester lose the manual. While not the best, it was rather unique and the last of the compact CUVs that offered a manual. Somewhat surprised it lasted through 2018.

The closest you'll be able to get now are offerings from Jeep and Mini, but they are a full class smaller.

What's losing a manual that you'll miss?
most of the ones i cared about already lost their big stick years ago. the forester definitely is one i liked driving and a nice change from the other small suvs which were all or mostly automatic. people are also upset they got rid of the turbo engine option for the forester. something about people in mountains, light air and turbos. even cars that do come in manual are often hard to find with the manual equipped. i had to wait for my 2015 accord sport manual to come in something like 2 weeks, IIRC, and they couldn't guarantee which color would be the one arriving on the truck (it could've been black but they got a grey one). if that were another brand, it could've taken months, depending on the model and brand. also, slight upset over no more focus which obviously could be had with a manual. no new gen fiesta coming which looks amazing IMO. no manual tiguan is annoying too. i think they offered a manual for a year or two then dropped it. long gone are the days when you could get a manual cr-v, escape, camry, altima or maxima...it also bothers me a lot that we can't have a lot of the cool cars they get to have in europe :? :| :x
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Re: Manuals you'll miss in 2019...

Post by AHTOXA » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:30 am

I don't think I'll miss any, for here's my logic:

Pedestrian cars that might lose their manual won't be missed much because the manual was already limited to lower-end trims already, so it doesn't matter much because I might not be interested in the lower trim of a given car. High-end performance cars that might lose the manual and go to a dual-clutch set up won't be missed because I can't afford them and thus it doesn't matter to me. All the other cars that fall somewhere in the middle - sporty/sports cars, muscle cars and affordable performance cars are keeping their manuals so this isn't an issue either.

In the future I'd like to get into something properly quick like a Camaro SS and this car is at no risk of losing manual any time soon.
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Post by ClutchFork » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:34 am

The manuals I miss are those you didn't have to go out of your way to get. In other words, take me back to the 1960s when you had to pay extra for an automatic and most vehicles "automatically" came with a manual.
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Post by theholycow » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:01 pm

ClutchFork wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:34 am
The manuals I miss are those you didn't have to go out of your way to get. In other words, take me back to the 1960s when you had to pay extra for an automatic and most vehicles "automatically" came with a manual.
Back when the manual transmission was standard...

This website's name is a misnomer. One (or more) should expect to show up here and find us discussing the common slushbox, which is the standard and has been for decades.
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Post by tankinbeans » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:10 pm

theholycow wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:01 pm
ClutchFork wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:34 am
The manuals I miss are those you didn't have to go out of your way to get. In other words, take me back to the 1960s when you had to pay extra for an automatic and most vehicles "automatically" came with a manual.
Back when the manual transmission was standard...

This website's name is a misnomer. One (or more) should expect to show up here and find us discussing the common slushbox, which is the standard and has been for decades.
That's not dissimilar to "standard" units of measure, which are only used in 3 countries; several others with varying levels of hybridization twixt standard and metric measurement.
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Post by ClutchFork » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:36 pm

I have "standards" that I do not wish to stoop below. Slush is like living in the gutter. I am forced to slog through the gutter every time I drive my wife's car (why not make her drive it? Only if I am blindfolded!). But fortunately I have relief every day going to and from work to shift the gears. Automatics drive me nuts, especially the newfangled ones that will do delayed double downshifts when all you wanted was to speed up a bit in the same or one lower gear. Paddleshifters? Like spinning things on a baby stroller. Kiddie stuff to me. I have no desire to play-shift.
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Post by ClutchFork » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:39 pm

Besides missing standards, there is another formerly standard thing I miss, actually many formerly standard things I miss:

rear wheel drive

hand crank windows

manual door locks

key holes in both front doors and the trunk/hatch lid

basic knobs on the radio with real push buttons you can feel. (What a concept: the ability to adjust the radio and never take your eyes off the road!)

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Post by tankinbeans » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:24 am

I will admit, I've owned 1 rwd vehicle, a T-10 Blazer, als have never really seen the nostalgia. It's perhaps the wrong example.

That said, I don't miss crank windows and am ambivalent on keyholes.
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Post by potownrob » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:09 am

tankinbeans wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:24 am
I will admit, I've owned 1 rwd vehicle, a T-10 Blazer, als have never really seen the nostalgia. It's perhaps the wrong example.

That said, I don't miss crank windows and am ambivalent on keyholes.
never owned a rwd vehicle though I hope I someday do (bargain LS430 on my mind). Definitely don’t miss crank windows or manual locks and mirrors (first car I had had them), and am too spoiled to happily go back to having to unlock doors and trunks with a key. Both beasts have keyless entry, start and trunk/hatch release; just have to have the key on you or near you.
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Post by ClutchFork » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:49 pm

potownrob wrote:
Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:09 am
never owned a rwd vehicle though I hope I someday do (bargain LS430 on my mind). Definitely don’t miss crank windows or manual locks and mirrors (first car I had had them), and am too spoiled to happily go back to having to unlock doors and trunks with a key. Both beasts have keyless entry, start and trunk/hatch release; just have to have the key on you or near you.
My preference for simple keys is twofold: I like simplicity and I can't stand a bulky keychain. I keep two keys on my keychain, house and S10. No bulky remote etc.
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Post by tankinbeans » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:51 pm

I'm pretty much the exact opposite. I have a heavy keyring on a lanyard. Makes them easier to find.
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Post by IMBoring25 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:20 am

It took me over 15 years to get my first 4WD and I'm only now getting my first FWD (by marriage). I do prefer the RWD handling dynamics. There are FWD cars that handle quite nicely in most respects but torque steer is real and I also prefer the RWD handling in winter conditions.

This truck is also the first vehicle I've had that doesn't have keyholes on both sides and I do miss the second one because I don't always like cycling the power lock motors.

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Post by ClutchFork » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:00 pm

IMBoring25 wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:20 am
It took me over 15 years to get my first 4WD and I'm only now getting my first FWD (by marriage). I do prefer the RWD handling dynamics. There are FWD cars that handle quite nicely in most respects but torque steer is real and I also prefer the RWD handling in winter conditions.

This truck is also the first vehicle I've had that doesn't have keyholes on both sides and I do miss the second one because I don't always like cycling the power lock motors.
Yeah, I got my first front drive by marriage also. But nowadays if you have a family you are almost stuck getting at least one front driver because there are so few rear drive vehicles made anymore other than sportier cars and pick-ups.
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Re: Manuals you'll miss in 2019...

Post by Rope-Pusher » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:27 pm

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...going from sub-compact RWD to Subcompact FWD was a big + in winter driving.

Most Pick-m-Ups and small cars had 70% weight over the front wheels when unloaded and driving mostly with just me, myself , and I in the car rates as being unloaded. They weren't easily persueded to drive up and over the ridge of snow that formed a barrier to changing lanes on the freeways, they didn't particularly like pulling out from sideroads onto mainroads, they didn't like driving in deep snows, etc.

In these modern thymes we live in, there are ways to design a front suspension to counter-act torque-steer tendencies, but maybe only a few manufacturers bother to invest the time and money to do so.

But that's OK. That's why DOG invented AWD. When the roads are whet or snowy, you can still just plant the foot to the floor and steer where you want to go.
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