Did a little experimenting...
Did a little experimenting...
I've been driving manual for over a year now and when upshifting i usually just put it in gear and continue driving without a second thought (shift shock/ lack of smoothness doesn't really bother me). I wanted to try and see how many ways i could get the gas/clutch balance "wrong" when shifting so I tried a couple things. I tried shifting just letting off the clutch with no gas. (pretty smooth with lack of acceleration after the shift). Then i tried shifting without giving it enough gas ( sort of jerks/ bucks ass the car catches back up in rpms for the next gear). I also tried giving it too much gas (where you feel the car move forward a bit).
My question is, which I think a lot of people tend to ask when learning to drive manual, is are slight fluctuations like this during daily driving harmful to the clutch or drivetrain in any way (for example the little jerk of the car when not shifting smoothly from 1-2)? When shifting I prefer to not think about it and would like to continue doing such lol. It seems kind of hard to butcher upshifting unless you miss and grind a gear or excessively slip the clutch.
My question is, which I think a lot of people tend to ask when learning to drive manual, is are slight fluctuations like this during daily driving harmful to the clutch or drivetrain in any way (for example the little jerk of the car when not shifting smoothly from 1-2)? When shifting I prefer to not think about it and would like to continue doing such lol. It seems kind of hard to butcher upshifting unless you miss and grind a gear or excessively slip the clutch.
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Re: Did a little experimenting...
No. Small imperfections, bucks and jerks here and there wont break a car.
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what about terrence??AHTOXA wrote:No. Small imperfections, bucks and jerks here and there wont break a car.
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I don't think things like "My tires are gone because of burnouts from dead stop. 5k rpm clutch dumps thats it." and "Over rev code came from downshifting beyond 6k which that is its rev limit. And I didn't let the car break in. " would be considered "small imperfections".potownrob wrote:what about terrence??AHTOXA wrote:No. Small imperfections, bucks and jerks here and there wont break a car.
c.f., viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7500&hilit=terrence&start=15
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Yeah, those are major problem/choices. Not small imperfections.theholycow wrote:I don't think things like "My tires are gone because of burnouts from dead stop. 5k rpm clutch dumps thats it." and "Over rev code came from downshifting beyond 6k which that is its rev limit. And I didn't let the car break in. " would be considered "small imperfections".potownrob wrote:what about terrence??AHTOXA wrote:No. Small imperfections, bucks and jerks here and there wont break a car.
c.f., viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7500&hilit=terrence&start=15
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I really, really hope not. I feel all sorts of tiny imperfections when I shift. Some days I'm smooth as silk, practically dumping the clutch on shifts that are rev-matched perfectly. Other days. like today, there are little catches all over the place (though I did have a super nice rev-match to 2nd gear today, I was very very happy).much2much wrote: My question is, which I think a lot of people tend to ask when learning to drive manual, is are slight fluctuations like this during daily driving harmful to the clutch or drivetrain in any way (for example the little jerk of the car when not shifting smoothly from 1-2)? When shifting I prefer to not think about it and would like to continue doing such lol. It seems kind of hard to butcher upshifting unless you miss and grind a gear or excessively slip the clutch.
I've asked my passengers to be brutally honest, do they notice my little mistakes? Everyone says I'm very, very smooth - almost like driving an auto. I'll "botch" a shift, or be a few hundred RPM off a rev-matched downshift and swear to myself. My fiancee says "Did you mess up? It felt perfectly fine to me....".
But in the back of my mind I'm thinking "Dude, how long have you had this car and how many miles have you driven it, and you still can't perfectly nail each shift?"
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Good luck being perfect. I have done 21,000ish miles in my Fiesta in less than a year, and I still botch shifts all the time. Normally, it's just little botches, causing a head bobble, nothing crazy. There are days where I'll completely miss a rev match or something... roller coaster! Yay!Golfer wrote:I've asked my passengers to be brutally honest, do they notice my little mistakes? Everyone says I'm very, very smooth - almost like driving an auto. I'll "botch" a shift, or be a few hundred RPM off a rev-matched downshift and swear to myself. My fiancee says "Did you mess up? It felt perfectly fine to me....".
But in the back of my mind I'm thinking "Dude, how long have you had this car and how many miles have you driven it, and you still can't perfectly nail each shift?"
Just relax. I like to think about it this way. When driving (or riding in an automatic), look at people's heads when the car shifts. There is a little head movement, a little rock forward, for almost every single car out there. Especially older cars. So when you cause a little head movement driving your manual, it still feels completely normal to all your passengers.
You're probably doing fine. IF you are super paranoid about it, record a video of you driving and post it here, we'll probably just tell you the same thing.
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Re: Did a little experimenting...
Embrace your imperfectionsGolfer wrote:But in the back of my mind I'm thinking "Dude, how long have you had this car and how many miles have you driven it, and you still can't perfectly nail each shift?"
for only through embracing your imperfections can you achieve thorough enough enlightenment to get in touch with the dark side
...but seriously, do NOT worry about it, and stop trying to be so perfect all the time. There are other, better outlets for that energy. Work on learning to DC and HT, or to fix stuff, or to take corners really fast, or to hypermile, or to do bodywork (then help me with my bodywork).
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Re: Did a little experimenting...
couple days ago i drove for about an hour with A/C on the whole time.
almost every 1-2 shift and downshift were jerky.
can't get the revs up high enough for downshifts.
but i kinda enjoyed rough shifts lol.
almost every 1-2 shift and downshift were jerky.
can't get the revs up high enough for downshifts.
but i kinda enjoyed rough shifts lol.
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Just like your mother, eh Trebek?kayubassist wrote:but i kinda enjoyed rough
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watkins wrote:Humans have rear-biased AWD. Cows have 4WD
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Ah'll tahke "The Rhapists" for 200 Ahlex.theholycow wrote:Just like your mother, eh Trebek?kayubassist wrote:but i kinda enjoyed rough
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I've got to ask you about the Penis Mightier
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Re: Did a little experimenting...
I usually always get the bobble when I disengage the clutch as the car stops gaining speed and I haven't gotten that seesaw thing down with the "left brake" - for teh stoopidz - and the gas. I'm usually in the back 40, foot not even contacting the pedal, when I let off the gas to shift. I haven't figured out how to get past my dead spot before reengaging the clutch so all of my shifts are kinda jerky, but whatever. The time will come when I can get a car with a more refined gearbox.
My Banshee is just fine for me.
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i failed to understand half that post.tankinbeans wrote:I usually always get the bobble when I disengage the clutch as the car stops gaining speed and I haven't gotten that seesaw thing down with the "left brake" - for teh stoopidz - and the gas. I'm usually in the back 40, foot not even contacting the pedal, when I let off the gas to shift. I haven't figured out how to get past my dead spot before reengaging the clutch so all of my shifts are kinda jerky, but whatever. The time will come when I can get a car with a more refined gearbox.
My Banshee is just fine for me.
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It was idiotic attempt at humor. When I press the clutch everybody's head bobbles around. I'm trying still to compensate for the throttle delay but am, for the most part unsuccessful.