The beast has come...
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Re: The beast has come...
No, it was in Dearborn.
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08 Ford Fusion 2.3 5-speed manual 172k - sold
92 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 5-speed manual 151k
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Show was at Ford World Headquarters in Dearborn.Rope-Pusher wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:10 am was the show on or near Mustang Alley / 9-Mile Road in Ferndale?
I saw many Ford Broncos (Bronchi?) at the Woodward Avenue Dream Cruise this year. I thimpk Ford was encouraging their participation as part of drumming up interest in the next generation Bronco.
What's with the new Bronco? Can you get a manual transmission in it? Is it a Sissy-U-V or a REAL Bronco like they used to make them?
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theholycow wrote:Why in the world would you even want to be as smooth as an automatic? Might as well just drive an automatic...
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Re: The beast has come...
Doan bleef Ford's 'nounced details yet. Just sayin' it's coming for 2020 MY. Graphic looks like a Mustang with the front brakes locked up.


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In 2020 for 2021 MY. The Mustang-inspired crossover is a different product.
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The beast got a present a couple weeks ago. Had it upgraded from the stock 2.73 rear end to a 3.73. What a difference. Much quicker, much better for everyday driving, much better for creeping through parking lots. It's like the 2.73 was just wrong, like having a 3-speed with two overdrives. The 3.73 is like a 4-speed with one overdrive. It cruises 70 mph around 2100 rpm in 5th.
I also figured that the guy who sold it to us, when he had a remanufactured T5 installed about 30,000 miles ago, that he was anticipating the 3.73 and so must have had the reman fitted up with a 2.95 first gear like in the older Fox Mustangs, where the 1992 would normally have a 3.35 first. The 2.95 first is much better with the 3.73 because the 3.35 x 3.73 will have you shiftin in the intersection. I can run first out to 35 mph easily with this 3.73. Figure at the same road speed I turn 2700 in first but 1800 in second, that is about 1.50 which is close to the 2.95 first to the 1.94 second. A 3.35 would figure aroound 1.7.
The guy gave us a ring and pinion in a box labeled 3.73, but it turned out to be a 3.55 and was not in good condition. The mechanic looked at it and said there was rust pitting and some small chips that would significantly shorten the life of the gearset so we opted for a brand new gearset and went with the more desired 3.73.
I also figured that the guy who sold it to us, when he had a remanufactured T5 installed about 30,000 miles ago, that he was anticipating the 3.73 and so must have had the reman fitted up with a 2.95 first gear like in the older Fox Mustangs, where the 1992 would normally have a 3.35 first. The 2.95 first is much better with the 3.73 because the 3.35 x 3.73 will have you shiftin in the intersection. I can run first out to 35 mph easily with this 3.73. Figure at the same road speed I turn 2700 in first but 1800 in second, that is about 1.50 which is close to the 2.95 first to the 1.94 second. A 3.35 would figure aroound 1.7.
The guy gave us a ring and pinion in a box labeled 3.73, but it turned out to be a 3.55 and was not in good condition. The mechanic looked at it and said there was rust pitting and some small chips that would significantly shorten the life of the gearset so we opted for a brand new gearset and went with the more desired 3.73.
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theholycow wrote:Why in the world would you even want to be as smooth as an automatic? Might as well just drive an automatic...
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Wow, good news to hear....I mean read. In my experience, not having enough overall ratio in 1st gear is like trying to launch from a standstill in 2nd gear. It makes clutch modulation difficult, and prolongs the slipping.ClutchFork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:47 pm The beast got a present a couple weeks ago. Had it upgraded from the stock 2.73 rear end to a 3.73. What a difference. Much quicker, much better for everyday driving, much better for creeping through parking lots. It's like the 2.73 was just wrong, like having a 3-speed with two overdrives. The 3.73 is like a 4-speed with one overdrive. It cruises 70 mph around 2100 rpm in 5th.
I also figured that the guy who sold it to us, when he had a remanufactured T5 installed about 30,000 miles ago, that he was anticipating the 3.73 and so must have had the reman fitted up with a 2.95 first gear like in the older Fox Mustangs, where the 1992 would normally have a 3.35 first. The 2.95 first is much better with the 3.73 because the 3.35 x 3.73 will have you shiftin in the intersection. I can run first out to 35 mph easily with this 3.73. Figure at the same road speed I turn 2700 in first but 1800 in second, that is about 1.50 which is close to the 2.95 first to the 1.94 second. A 3.35 would figure aroound 1.7.
The guy gave us a ring and pinion in a box labeled 3.73, but it turned out to be a 3.55 and was not in good condition. The mechanic looked at it and said there was rust pitting and some small chips that would significantly shorten the life of the gearset so we opted for a brand new gearset and went with the more desired 3.73.
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I remember having a version of the NVG T750 with ratios for 2.0L engine installed in a vehicle that had the 2.4L engine. Kept the original clutch from the 2.4L, but all those that drove it after the silverbox was swapped marveled at "How much better this clutch was". The tranny for 2.0 L had about 15% more overall gear ratio in 1st gear than the trans for the 2.4L.Rope-Pusher wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 9:06 amWow, good news to hear....I mean read. In my experience, not having enough overall ratio in 1st gear is like trying to launch from a standstill in 2nd gear. It makes clutch modulation difficult, and prolongs the slipping.ClutchFork wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 10:47 pm The beast got a present a couple weeks ago. Had it upgraded from the stock 2.73 rear end to a 3.73. What a difference. Much quicker, much better for everyday driving, much better for creeping through parking lots. It's like the 2.73 was just wrong, like having a 3-speed with two overdrives. The 3.73 is like a 4-speed with one overdrive. It cruises 70 mph around 2100 rpm in 5th.
I also figured that the guy who sold it to us, when he had a remanufactured T5 installed about 30,000 miles ago, that he was anticipating the 3.73 and so must have had the reman fitted up with a 2.95 first gear like in the older Fox Mustangs, where the 1992 would normally have a 3.35 first. The 2.95 first is much better with the 3.73 because the 3.35 x 3.73 will have you shiftin in the intersection. I can run first out to 35 mph easily with this 3.73. Figure at the same road speed I turn 2700 in first but 1800 in second, that is about 1.50 which is close to the 2.95 first to the 1.94 second. A 3.35 would figure aroound 1.7.
The guy gave us a ring and pinion in a box labeled 3.73, but it turned out to be a 3.55 and was not in good condition. The mechanic looked at it and said there was rust pitting and some small chips that would significantly shorten the life of the gearset so we opted for a brand new gearset and went with the more desired 3.73.
'08 Jeep Liberty 6-Speed MT - "Last of the Mohicans"