Re: Does this unicorn exist?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:12 am
patiently awaiting watkins' response. fondly remembering his not-so-positive initial opinion of the early JKs. happily drooling over the new JL.
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I sat in a new JL yesterday.watkins wrote:Always avoid the first few years of anything. Aside from being very un-Wrangler in on-road handling, I know very little about how the JL will perform.
That said, youre pretty much right, Tony. Avoid the 3.8 ('07-'11) JK because there is no worse engine they could possibly have used. Make sure any early Pentastar either still has the left head warranty or has had the head replaced in 2013 or later to ensure the updated version has been used. The hard top is a disaster unless you know how to put it on carefully or get stupid lucky. The radiators seem to blow a bit more often than they should.
This seems to be a common complaint though for anyone over 6'1 even at the lowest seat setting... I don't understand how something like this could be overlooked. On paper this thing looks pretty cool though... the only thing I'm going against is the price. The gap between Sport S and Rubicon is nearly 7 grand... 2k to add an auto... This thing will fast approach past 40 grand with like two packages.AHTOXA wrote:I sat in a new JL yesterday.watkins wrote:Always avoid the first few years of anything. Aside from being very un-Wrangler in on-road handling, I know very little about how the JL will perform.
That said, youre pretty much right, Tony. Avoid the 3.8 ('07-'11) JK because there is no worse engine they could possibly have used. Make sure any early Pentastar either still has the left head warranty or has had the head replaced in 2013 or later to ensure the updated version has been used. The hard top is a disaster unless you know how to put it on carefully or get stupid lucky. The radiators seem to blow a bit more often than they should.
I DON'T FIT!!
Ok, let's not get crazy here, Tony, because that's a fact with many cars, but with the JL it is actually unsafe for me to drive it. That's because my head hits squarely on the roll bar. I have made sure to adjust the seats all the way down, but no go. There is quite a bit less room in the JL than the JK, which I sat in during the same dealer visit.
So, the JL is off the table. and the JK just seems...old. Sure, I understand that the platform is 10 years old, but the prices they are commanding are just unreal. Of course, this is no surprise, given that Wranglers have always commanded high prices. But having said that, I'm going to switch gears.
I've been looking for a YJ in decent shape and will continue to do so. I'll go this route instead and get essentially a project vehicle. Too bad that even YJs in any semi-usable shape command extreme cash here, but that's what happens when the northerners want to come down here and buy the rust-free specimens.
socks balls dudeAHTOXA wrote: I sat in a new JL yesterday.
I DON'T FIT!!
TJs must be expensive too. maybe you could come up north (or northward) and find a decent one more reasonably?? just a thought. i digged your TJ. wish i could find the pics of it.I've been looking for a YJ in decent shape and will continue to do so. I'll go this route instead and get essentially a project vehicle. Too bad that even YJs in any semi-usable shape command extreme cash here, but that's what happens when the northerners want to come down here and buy the rust-free specimens.
eye thought they fixed the leaks on the JL thoTeamwork wrote: 40 grand but the leaks will be free.
//feverishly searches for vtec kicked in jeep memes, epically fails.I am a bit curious about the 2.0L turbo FCA is using though... Looks pretty close to Type R numbers.
ftfywatkins wrote:Always avoid the first few years of anything FCA.
epic winningAside from being very un-Wrangler in on-road handling, I know very little about how the JL will perform.
Give it 2 years but it comes with the territory I suppose if you continuously are removing panels and doors- probably just bound to happen. I think by default these days if I went this route I would need the 4 door as I watched too many videos of the 2 door and it doesn't look like it'll cut it in the cargo or passenger capacity department.potownrob wrote:eye thought they fixed the leaks on the JL thoTeamwork wrote: 40 grand but the leaks will be free.
yeah, don't think the jeep was originally designed to haul a family and their luggage. unfortunately, making it do that takes away from the jeepness. you could remove the rear seats though...Teamwork wrote:Give it 2 years but it comes with the territory I suppose if you continuously are removing panels and doors- probably just bound to happen. I think by default these days if I went this route I would need the 4 door as I watched too many videos of the 2 door and it doesn't look like it'll cut it in the cargo or passenger capacity department.potownrob wrote:eye thought they fixed the leaks on the JL thoTeamwork wrote: 40 grand but the leaks will be free.
not sure how NY roads are especially worse than any others; eye'd imagine it varies more from town to town or county to county than state to state. i heard michigan roads are horrible though.I'm very curious to see how a double solid axel though would drive on NY roads though as a daily. Most of the reviews seem to be praising it on road though but in theory I'm not so sure if I'm biting. I know the clear advantages double solid axels with articulation have though for off road. Does that 3.6L Pentastar take 87 octane or recommended 89? I thought I read somewhere in the past it advised on 89 though it was in a different application.
big surprise thereThe forum guys for these things are die hard.
apparently, eye spoke two soon...potownrob wrote: wish we had these knock-offs here...
Yeah, I tried the sport with manual adjustments and it was still too high.IMBoring25 wrote:Different seats and power seat configurations will often have different amounts of travel, especially in the vertical direction. Might be worth a shot if you liked it otherwise.