Infant Gratification?

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How long would you be willing to wait for a "Build to Order" vehicle?

2 Weeks
0
No votes
1 Month
2
22%
6 Weeks
4
44%
2 Months
3
33%
Would not wait a day
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Infant Gratification?

Post by Rope-Pusher » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:46 pm

Why Americans reject build-to-order cars

It is inherently more expensive for an automaker and their dealerships to sell vehicles from sales lot inventory compared to selling vehicles built after a customer submits an order. In Europe, 50% of sales are for "Build to order" versus fewer than 5% in the USA. Outliers in the US market occur where passion rules the purchase decision.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2016060 ... order-cars
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by theholycow » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:19 pm

What is this, bizzarro world? Opposite day? What am I missing here?

I remember when I was a child my parents almost always ordered their cars with the exact options they wanted. I'd watch as they went through a very long checklist of options with the salesman.

Then as time went on, dealers were less and less willing to order cars, and options were less and less available a-la-carte so there was less reason to bother trying to convince the salesman to order. There were a few option "packages" with a bunch of crap you don't want and the one thing you do want, and you could take it all or leave it all. There was nothing to gain by ordering, the dealers/salesmen balked at the idea, and they wouldn't budge on the MSRP if you ordered but they'd cut you a deal if you bought from dealer inventory.
Not that some U.S. carmakers haven't been struck by the same thing. Over the years, they frequently have studied what it would take to wean American consumers off decades of buying off the lot.
...so, like, maybe they could make it possible to order something different than what's on the lot, actually allow you to order, and pass all those alleged savings on to you for ordering instead of buying from "costly, cumbersome" inventory that the dealer wants gone.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by Bill B » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:00 pm

The salesman being commission driven want you to buy whatever they have on the lot so they can get their money now and not give you a chance to cancel their order. You want a manual and you will probably have to order one that is only available on the most stripped down model with the smallest motor.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by potownrob » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:29 am

I probably don't have to tell you guys, but I can get impatient with having to wait to get a new car. I had to wait 1-2 weeks for my accord to arrive (didn't order it but had to wait for it to arrive) and that felt like an eternity. I have found other than in that case that the dealers really want to sell what they have on the lot. Suggestions about ordering a car or having them trade for one are often scoffed at or ignored. With the new VW they were big on selling what they had. Questions about lighting packages and such were like asking them if they knew where hitler's secret treasure was hidden. The upside is that, despite no extra incentives on the Various golf models, they were willing to go well under invoice on the pricing. Getting them down on price at the end of the month and then getting them to come close on the next trim level went much better than expected. I still have to pick up some hours to cover my now higher payment, but I have a nicer car too. Now just need to save money for that APR tune :twisted:
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by IMBoring25 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:43 am

It's a trade-off. Limiting option combinations reduces manufacturing cost (in unique wiring harnesses, trim panels, and logistics) and floor-plan costs (less reason to dealer swap or wait for special order). Full customization would sell more total cars.

For exactly what I want I'd wait longer than any of the options. I'd demand a better price to buy off the rack.

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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by tankinbeans » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:42 pm

It really depends on the options and if they're offered singly. An upgraded radio, a sunroof, and heated seats are what I would look for (unstated is the requirement that it is an actual color). Otherwise, I'll take what's in stock.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by Rope-Pusher » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:38 pm

Tummy, the customers power to get a bette bargain is that if the price is right, he will buy right now, from inventory that the dealer is paying bank loans on and in time to meet this month's sales quota. Even if it would cost the company and the dealership less money if the customer ordered the car he wants, I don't think the dealer has as much incentive to give the customer a deal he can't walk away from compared to when the customer is purchasing a vehicle from inventory.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by ClutchFork » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:29 am

The only build-to-order car I would be willing to wait for is something like a '69 Road Runner, and the great part is you can get one of those built to order today if you have enough money.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by Rope-Pusher » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:48 pm

In day of old, when knights were bold, and rubbers weren't invented,.....

...dealerships were located along small town main streets and there was no room for big car lots. I've seen some with rooftop parking to get around space limitations. When dealerships moved to the outlying areas, they had enough room to carry a lot more inventory.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by Teamwork » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:11 pm

Just wanted to weigh in on this but after some time...

As far as I'm concerned build-to-order cars is the only way I'm going for myself personally if I want to: A) Buy a new car, period... B) Buy a car with a manual transmission around here. People buying/leasing/financing brand new cars should be GETTING what they want to a tee with 0 compromises. You're paying a premium to do so. Never really made much sense to me in the sense of buying a new vehicle and feeling that you had to make compromises or subtract things. Also, you don't know the life of the cars on the lot with those weird amount of miles on it like 70-100 "brand new". For example, I test drove a Focus ST and the sales guy openly admitted the car was getting hooned left and right by "amateurs". It had already 110 miles on it by the time I was test driving it and then they felt the need to make an attractive offer to that particular car. I really liked the car honestly, but unless they provided 50% off of the MSRP there was no chance in hell I was purchasing that one.

In another instance, even models and the ones I was looking at that have above average manual transmission take rates are still difficult to find on the lots. Talking along the lines of Subaru WRX, VW GTI, and Mazda 3. Can't say it about the Focus ST because that's manual only... but I could not find a VW GTI with a stick that wasn't in transit and already sold. Subaru was essentially the same but they went one step further and pretty much told me flat out they can't let me test drive unless I signed a waiver and negotiated a price (multiple dealerships), and Mazda 3 the only manuals I could find were on like lowly base models with the 2.0L (I wanted the 2.5L). So to me build to order cars is pretty much me being at their mercy... because I'm not willing to compromise and because it's really the only route provided.

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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by potownrob » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:47 am

Teamwork wrote:Just wanted to weigh in on this but after some time...

As far as I'm concerned build-to-order cars is the only way I'm going for myself personally if I want to: A) Buy a new car, period... B) Buy a car with a manual transmission around here. People buying/leasing/financing brand new cars should be GETTING what they want to a tee with 0 compromises. You're paying a premium to do so. Never really made much sense to me in the sense of buying a new vehicle and feeling that you had to make compromises or subtract things. Also, you don't know the life of the cars on the lot with those weird amount of miles on it like 70-100 "brand new". For example, I test drove a Focus ST and the sales guy openly admitted the car was getting hooned left and right by "amateurs". It had already 110 miles on it by the time I was test driving it and then they felt the need to make an attractive offer to that particular car. I really liked the car honestly, but unless they provided 50% off of the MSRP there was no chance in hell I was purchasing that one.
is this why your payments are over $600?? :lol: :oops: :mrgreen:
In another instance, even models and the ones I was looking at that have above average manual transmission take rates are still difficult to find on the lots. Talking along the lines of Subaru WRX, VW GTI, and Mazda 3. Can't say it about the Focus ST because that's manual only... but I could not find a VW GTI with a stick that wasn't in transit and already sold. Subaru was essentially the same but they went one step further and pretty much told me flat out they can't let me test drive unless I signed a waiver and negotiated a price (multiple dealerships), and Mazda 3 the only manuals I could find were on like lowly base models with the 2.0L (I wanted the 2.5L). So to me build to order cars is pretty much me being at their mercy... because I'm not willing to compromise and because it's really the only route provided.
yeah, it's bad down there near the city. up here, the manuals are easier to find. the people of the vortex always suggest doing a nationwide search for the car you want and taking it from there. i personally settled for a car on the lot, after much haggling. you still haven't guessed what i have btw. :?:
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by tankinbeans » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:53 am

Rob, is it a Golf Type R?

I can see you haz a blue.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by potownrob » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:01 am

tankinbeans wrote:Rob, is it a Golf Type R?

I can see you haz a blue.
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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by Teamwork » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:10 am

is this why your payments are over $600?? :lol: :oops: :mrgreen:
For me? Never... My 'new' KIA lease at the time my payments were only $175 a month for a 3 year term. This car I took an outside small bank loan on a 3 year term again and my payments are only $249 and change for 36 months but I OWN this car once that's paid off. I don't really believe in lease monthly payments over $300 and for financing w/ the intention of ownership I probably wouldn't pay more then $400 a month and even that would be a stretch. My rates right now and in the past are jokingly low compared to what I paid in school loans when I was doing those.
yeah, it's bad down there near the city. up here, the manuals are easier to find. the people of the vortex always suggest doing a nationwide search for the car you want and taking it from there. i personally settled for a car on the lot, after much haggling. you still haven't guessed what i have btw
I actually was a "lucky one" that intercepted someones factory order who I guess is my doppelganger except they flubbed finding funds for the car. I wanted an S model (lowest trim level) because it had the plaid cloth, PP package (because it had an LSD), LP package (because of the HID's), and manual transmission (because I'm here 8) ). I didn't realize in hindsight how difficult it is to obtain this until I heard pretty much everyone else had to factory order this configuration.
Rob, is it a Golf Type R?
I'm guessing this is the case judging by process of elimination but I can't really see on the thumbnail avatar that well lol.

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Re: Infant Gratification?

Post by tankinbeans » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:19 am

I see it's a turbo.
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