Pro life or pro choice?

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Re: Pro life or pro choice?

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I have to say that this is a much bigger issue in the US than it is in GB (not northern Ireland) or Europe.

Most people here are what you all would term Pro-Choice. In UK law the foetus is not alive. It only becomes a "baby" and "alive" after it is born and takes its first breath.

If a pateint came to me wanting an abortion, I would do everything I could to help her. Why? It has absolutely nothing to do with me what she does, but I want to make sure that she is looked after properly.

Here the abortion must be performed before 24 weeks of gestation. However, if the foetus shows extreme disability or is a grave danger to the mother's survival, it can be terminated at any time.

In Northern Ireland (part of the United Kingdom) abortion remains illegal, except if the mother's life is in danger. The same is true for the Republic of Ireland. Women from these two areas that want an abortion have to travel to the UK mainland (England, Scotland or Wales) to have the abortion there.
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SteveUK wrote:In Northern Ireland (part of the United Kingdom) abortion remains illegal, except if the mother's life is in danger. The same is true for the Republic of Ireland. Women from these two areas that want an abortion have to travel to the UK mainland (England, Scotland or Wales) to have the abortion there.
And see, that's that will happen if countries ban it. If the US bans it, people will probably buy plane tickets, go to England, find an abortion center (not sure what they're called in the UK) and have the abortion there. Or to Canada, if it's legal there. Or to Mexico. Or to some back alley to a guy with a rusted scalpel. In the end, banning something doesn't make it go away. Hell, look at drugs. Drugs (cocaine, heroine, marijuana, etc.) are illegal, and yet I still see and hear stories of people who get busted for doing it. :roll:
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Um, they are called hospitals...

But seriously we don't really have abortion centres and things like that here. There of course private hospitals, which I suppose you could term a clinic, but this service is always provided immediately on the NHS so you don't have to pay.

And you're right. Women will either:

a) cross an international border to have an abortion

or

b) go to some back alley and die
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Pro-choice. Your baby, your option.
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Did you know that catholic medical schools / hospitals within the United States, do not teach abortions in their curriculum during Medical School and/or Residency, examples that come to mind would be Loyola Univ. Med. Center/ Strich School of Medicine, Georgetown/GTSOM, and Saint Louis Univ. Med. Center/SOM.
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That does not suprise me at all. Especially when some schools in the US won't teach evoloution.
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Pro-choice.
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SteveUK wrote:That does not suprise me at all. Especially when some schools in the US won't teach evoloution.
The sad part is that the medical schools that I listed are some of the best medical schools in the country, I was talking to an OB/GYN at Loyola (Dr.Muraskas) who has delivered 3 of the worlds smallest babies, and the smallest pair of surviving twins I believe, and he told me that and I was shocked, it doesn't matter if you agree with it or disagree MDs should know how to preform an abortion if they are planning on doing OB, and he seemed to agree with me on that view, that physicians in the OB specialty should be trained in preforming abortions.
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SonyAD wrote:Pro-life from a moral/philosophical/religious p.o.v. I'm not sure legislating this point of view is best but ppl. should realise abortion is NOT contraception.

Let's put it this way. Consider your gf's mom would have thought the pregnancy was inconvenient at the time. Or that it came at an inopportune time.
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Re: Pro life or pro choice?

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This entire debate is stupid, because what the overly-religious pro-life morons don't understand is that they have no right to force their beliefs on anyone else. How can any decent human being believe that they should have any right to impose their belief system on what another person does in the case of accidental pregnancy?
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tehfade wrote:How can any decent human being believe that they should have any right to impose their belief system on what another person does in the case of accidental pregnancy?
Or pretty much any even remotely personal situation for that matter.
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tehfade wrote: How can any decent human being believe that they should have any right to impose their belief system on what another person does
There's the whole problem with religion, but that's for the other thread.

I strongly believe that until the child is born, it's not technically a human being and the family/mother has the right to make a decision.
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If we really want to get down and dirty, I believe in abortion until the offspring is 18 years old :lol: :twisted:
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watkins wrote:If we really want to get down and dirty, I believe in abortion until the offspring is 18 years old :lol: :twisted:
Perhaps in this case the wire hanger won't work as efficiently.

Well, there are always guns and emo cults. :lol:
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Teenage automotive fatalities are just gods way of saying "you should have had an abortion"
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