Echord wrote:.... After the accident I stopped shifting during the turn but if I stay in first gear when I finish the turn the engine RPM could get quite high 2500~3000ish. Isn't this equivalent to a "push-the-envelope" situation?
It's not so much the rpm that matters, but rather how hard you are accelerating. In other words, you can drive all day in the 2500-3000 rpm range and never come close to breaking a tire lose if you're going easy on the accelerator.
If you're worried about it, you can short shift into second gear and then just take the turn in second gear. To do that, you'd basically get the car moving in first gear and then immediately shift into second. Even if you're the first car turning at an intersection, you should still have time to get the car into second gear before you actually start turning.
I drive an automatic 2001 Ford Mustang v6 being RWD and quite a big of torque. I've oversteered the car a few times during during, but it was all at my fault when doing it. It had only happened when I hit the accelerator a big hard in the middle of the turn. Twice on dry pavement and once on wet. I've yet to try this in my standard car which is a FWD with 100ft lbs less torque. Just can't hit the gas hard while turning, especially in the middle.
It's hard to oversteer in a FWD car just by hitting the accelerator in the middle of a turn. In some cases, you will actually end up understeering, and the more powerful your car, the more likely this will happen.
An easy way to remember (and understand) understeer is to think of it as plowing. If you turn the steering wheel and the vehicle continues moving straight ahead, then you're understeering big time. I think most cars are set up to understeer from the factory because it's considered more "safe" than oversteer, or at least more manageable for an average driver.
Were you dumping the clutch when you shifted to second? I just got a Supra but it has extremely bad rev hang and the tyres will chirp if I shift to 2nd really fast above 4500RPM and dump the clutch(this is with brand new tyres on a dry road going staight), I could imagine that causing the rear to slide out easily if I do it mid turn and it was raining badly.
Once I had an Aerostar, that was supposedly 4 wheel drive, but the only wheel s that seemed to work were the rears. Long story short the backend tried to break loose when I gave it too many beans on an exit ramp. I completely lifted off and didn't brake at all. Learned a valuable lesson there.
Best of luck.
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tankinbeans wrote:Once I had an Aerostar, that was supposedly 4 wheel drive, but the only wheel s that seemed to work were the rears. Long story short the backend tried to break loose when I gave it too many beans on an exit ramp. I completely lifted off and didn't brake at all. Learned a valuable lesson there.
Best of luck.
So, my notes now say that when losing traction, according to tankinbeans, always floor it. I lern gud!
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tankinbeans wrote:Once I had an Aerostar, that was supposedly 4 wheel drive, but the only wheel s that seemed to work were the rears. Long story short the backend tried to break loose when I gave it too many beans on an exit ramp. I completely lifted off and didn't brake at all. Learned a valuable lesson there.
Best of luck.
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InlinePaul wrote:The driving force of new fangled features to sell more cars [is to] cater to the masses' abject laziness!
Squint wrote:
So, my notes now say that when losing traction, according to tankinbeans, always floor it. I lern gud!
If there's one important thing I've learned driving AWD cars over the years, it's that you should never lift off the gas when you're cornering at the limit under hard throttle. There's a long sweeping left-handed curve that connects the NYS Thruway to the Garden State Parkway. Years ago when I was young & dumb, I was accelerating really hard around that curve and my car at the time (AWD Eagle Talon Tsi) started to lose traction and go into a four-wheel drift. I started out in the left lane, but I ended up in the right lane and started to cross onto the shoulder just as the curve ended. If I would have lifted off the gas, there's no doubt in my mind that the car would've completely lost traction and I would have gone off the road completely.
