theholycow wrote:
Incorrect. The definitions from your google search (I hope you don't mind that I didn't wait around for your obnoxious LMGTFY) are even more varied and vague.
Actually, they aren't varied at all. The vast majority agree exactly what lugging is and how it happens.
Further, we cannot assume that any given user means the same thing when he uses the word, as they never do.
That's because people like you spread misinformation. You even have a link in your signature that points to your opinion that lugging isn't what you think it is and it's not happening to your engine (or some silly garbage like that!). Don't quote me because I'm not quoting you. I'm not going to look for your exact words again because it would be a waste of time.
For example, in that thread rml605 meant "vibrates and my rpms bounce below 1K", which does not match your first posted example of it on StandardShift.com ("under idle RPM", which you used twice more in this thread).
What rml605 is describing definitely seems like lugging. If his engine is vibrating and the needle on his tach is bouncing below 1K RPM, I think it's safe to say that he's lugging his engine. Oh, but I guess you disagree because you think it's impossible to lug an engine. Sorry kiddo, but you're 100% wrong there. ANY manual transmission car can be lugged quite easily.
Any random user may mean any of a million things by it, it is not a standardized term no matter how much you tell us that it is. You always say to do a google search but I don't think you've ever looked at the results.
You said "I didn't pay much attention to message forums. ", yet ALL of your recommended search results are forums.
And I also said that I have engineering books with tech articles on lugging. Sorry, but I can't just zap them into your computer screen, so I'm just saying that ANYONE can do research via the Internet fairly easily. The reason I don't pay much attention to people on forums is because I have tech books written by experts. It should be clear by now forums can be a source of good information, but this thread proves that one should understand how to separate fact from fiction and/or opinion.
This is exactly why I recommend describing the observed condition instead.
Why do you believe that we can assume that every user means the same thing when your own google search proves otherwise?
I never said that every user means the same thing. Someone might say that he thinks he's lugging his engine, but when he describes what he's doing/what's happening, it's not lugging at all. Conversely, when someone describes what he's doing and what is happening with his engine as a result, it can usually be clearly determined if he's lugging his engine or not.
No matter what you say, it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a modern engine can be lugged.