"Loading" up the transmission to prevent gear strippage

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"Loading" up the transmission to prevent gear strippage

Post by Leedeth » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:03 am

OK, so I talked to a cousin's friend in Vancouver for a few good hours, and he brought up this launching technique that I don't think has ever been brought up on these forums, which is actually quite strange.

What you would do is rip the handbrake on, and rev to whatever RPM you need to launch, hard of course, then let the clutch out to just the point where your car is moving forward against the handbrake, so the transmission is "loaded", and it will prevent any slamming of the gears against each other and strippage and other sorts of things all through the drivetrain.

Is this correct?

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Post by Rope-Pusher » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:19 am

I don't think it is worth much. If you've got that much play in the driveline, you shouldn't be driving it hard and this technique gets you through 1st gear, but what about other shifts?
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Post by mad_finn » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:37 pm

Actually this is most common launching technique on Finish "folk raceing"

in car cam vid


cars sure do look like crap, but limited enginesize (2.0l on FF and FR cars and 1.5 on MR RR cars) unless orginal engine is bigger,
no turbos allowed and still producing about 150 to 250 hp

and if someone wants to buy your car after the race, well... you must sell it price is around 1200 euros (1600 USD) and keep in mind... that is race car
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Post by mtheis » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:17 pm

mad_finn wrote:and if someone wants to buy your car after the race, well... you must sell it price is around 1200 euros (1600 USD) and keep in mind... that is race car
Engine (and car) claiming is stupid. If I work hard to build something up, I don't want someone to be able to walk up and basically steal it.
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Post by RITmusic2k » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:38 pm

It can be valid and prudent if you're built up ridiculously over stock power levels and you're still running with some stock drivetrain components....

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Post by mad_finn » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:46 pm

mtheis wrote:
mad_finn wrote:and if someone wants to buy your car after the race, well... you must sell it price is around 1200 euros (1600 USD) and keep in mind... that is race car
Engine (and car) claiming is stupid. If I work hard to build something up, I don't want someone to be able to walk up and basically steal it.
That rule is there siply because it is ment to be cheap enough, that even people who cant get sponsors, and dont have too much money, can afford it.
that´s why it is "folk raceing".

Basicly, it is there to keep the cars as even as possible. so even these not so rich dudes might even win sometimes.
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Post by mtheis » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:48 pm

mad_finn wrote:Basicly, it is there to keep the cars as even as possible.
Strict rules can accomplish the same goal.
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Post by theholycow » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:59 pm

mtheis wrote:Engine (and car) claiming is stupid. If I work hard to build something up, I don't want someone to be able to walk up and basically steal it.
That seems to be the point; they discourage you from working so hard to build it up, instead making you concentrate on your driving.
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Post by mtheis » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:25 am

I guess it's different when you know a lot of drivers and every one of them hates that rule (stock cars).
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Post by LHOswald » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:26 am

i remember that on top gear (i think?) if someone offers to buy your car you have to sell it to them for exactly 1000 euros. that ensures that you don't put too much money into your car because if someone wants to buy it and you put 3 grand into it you have to sell it for a grand and you'll be out alot of money. it seems like a good idea, so that everyone pays pretty much the same amount of money for all their cars so that its more based on skill than engine power.
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Post by mtheis » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:32 am

The problem is... if you're a really good driver, you have to put up with the claiming shit all the time. It gets old really fast.
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Post by LHOswald » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:59 am

true, but if you were that good than you could probably move out of that kind of racing and do something where you would be able to keep your car after every race no matter how well you did (or bad). and almost all of those cars (of the video i saw) were junkers, and were (from what i saw) FF style drivetrains.

i just noticed how many times i use parentheses when i post. i must have two minds or something. one speaks in what i want to say, and in the parentheses i speak to distinguish anyone trying to argue something that i said by answering a detail for them.

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Re: "Loading" up the transmission to prevent gear strippage

Post by Leedeth » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:58 am

So, um...are people going to answer my question?

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Post by theholycow » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:33 am

Rope-Pusher did, then the thread continued anyway.
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Re: "Loading" up the transmission to prevent gear strippage

Post by mad_finn » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:54 am

theholycow wrote:Rope-Pusher did, then the thread continued anyway.
And I did, alltough, I probably didn't make my self too clear, or got carried away cause of my old hobby :)

Anyway, that is perfect way when you are on starting line and your car may not move at all. If it does move you will be digualified or you got some time penalty cause of that.
It will wear your cutch a bit, cause your engine is doing... lets say 3k rpm. cutch sliliding a small bit, to give minor torgue troughout the drivetrain, but afterall, it is just 1-2 seconds to lauch it.
But I´d prefer it for racing only, if you are dragraceing, you shouldent do this too often, because it will genetate major cutchwear, and chace of glazeing.
mtheis wrote: Strict rules can accomplish the same goal.
True, but think it this way,
would you rather

A: Buy a ready car from other driver
If you have some spare cash tune it up a bit
and hey you have a racecar
ok someone can buy it off from you if they want for some exact price

or

B: Buy a car from scrapyard, or car wich would take too much work and money to keep roadlegal (any car)
fix the entire body so there isnt too much rust etc on it
remove interior,
build a rollcage,
put in raceingseat, and seatbelts
and if you have some cash to spend tune it up a bit.
remove orginal drivinglights and add few small and cheap aftermarket foglights on it
and hey you have a racecar
ok someone can buy it off from you if they want for some exact price

or

C: Buy a car from scrapyard, or car wich would take too much work and money to keep roadlegal (car wich is classified for this race)
fix the entire body so there isnt too much rust etc on it
remove interior,
build a rollcage,
put in raceingseat, and seatbelts
do the full 20 pages of modificatios you are allowed to
remove orginal drivinglights and add few small and cheap aftermarket foglights on it
and hey you have a racecar
You drive 1-20 races and you end up with totally beat up junker,
where engine is allmost blown cause its have been revver allmost constantly way over redline,
tranny shattered cause of fast gearchanges
and body wich as probably rolled over few times, but at least crashed to guardrail, and to other racers so badly that you cant tell what car it actually is.

hmm. Id rather stick on buying something ready

LHOswald wrote:almost all of those cars (of the video i saw) were junkers,


yep, those cars look like junkers but the engine is in very good shape (usually)

LHOswald wrote:and were (from what i saw) FF style drivetrains.


Wrong, Most popular cars are rear engine cars
Fiat 133 2.0 twincam
Fiat 850 2.0 twincam
Fiat 500 2.0 twincam
Fiat 600 2.0 twincam
VW beetle

2nd popular cars are FR cars
Volvo 240
Volvo 740
and (allmost) all 70's small european and japanise cars

3rd popular FF cars
VW Golf
Fiat Uno
and some others...

wow that was a long one, :oops: think I have to make own thread for this :?
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