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Post by LS1Leader » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:48 pm

We've had many discussions about this. You CAN launch an auto, and it's much more consistent as well. Not to mention launching an auto with a turbo.. piece of cake.

And it's not about power. It's about complete power curves, curb weights, gearing, and most importantly, traction. In passenger cars, the only advantage manuals have over autos is better gearing, in general. Those advantages disappear with certain modifications, and have been getting slimmer now that there are 5-, 6-, and 7-speed autos.

As for your little race, was it at the strip or street? If street, anything, and I mean anything, can happen on the street. That's what happens when not everyone knows it's a race, when you don't have specially prepared pavement, when you don't have timing equipment, etc. Nevertheless, a CRX is a very lightweight car, and getting a motor swap makes it a much quicker car. Not to mention that you didn't launch the auto (judging from your post). All that means that it's very plausible that he could beat you handily, even if both of you launched well.

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Post by italian_princess0421 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:04 pm

LS1Leader wrote:We've had many discussions about this. You CAN launch an auto, and it's much more consistent as well. Not to mention launching an auto with a turbo.. piece of cake.

And it's not about power. It's about complete power curves, curb weights, gearing, and most importantly, traction. In passenger cars, the only advantage manuals have over autos is better gearing, in general. Those advantages disappear with certain modifications, and have been getting slimmer now that there are 5-, 6-, and 7-speed autos.

As for your little race, was it at the strip or street? If street, anything, and I mean anything, can happen on the street. That's what happens when not everyone knows it's a race, when you don't have specially prepared pavement, when you don't have timing equipment, etc. Nevertheless, a CRX is a very lightweight car, and getting a motor swap makes it a much quicker car. Not to mention that you didn't launch the auto (judging from your post). All that means that it's very plausible that he could beat you handily, even if both of you launched well.
hummmm im not good at this kinda talk but ill try to figure this out....that race my bf was talkin bout was on the street. i think it was on smooth road...not sure though. sooo u are syain that if he had launched the car, my mustang could have won?
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Post by Sypher » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:10 pm

depending on what motor he has in there (most likely a B18 ), crx can pack quite a punch with a bigger motor. And An auto can launch faster becasue it could hold the rpm's using the breaks or put it into nuetral and pop it back down when they need to go.

You should as him whats teh engine code for teh motor he put in.

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Post by LS1Leader » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:32 am

Smooth road doesn't match the specially prepared surface used on dragstrips. There's literally glue used to prep the staging areas (start line) of a dragstrip, all of which improves traction.

If he had properly launched the auto car, he would have had a better chance at winning. Of course, that depends heavily on what engine was in the CRX. But it would have helped.

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Post by italian_princess0421 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:06 pm

its a B16 in the CRX...and my stang is stock, but its has betten lots of other cars we have raced.
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Post by TransAm350fi » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:26 pm

What are you running in that Firebird. My 87 Trans Am has...
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Post by LS1Leader » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:56 am

That's a lot of money, buddy. :)

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Post by Johnf514 » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:10 am

And it is still "street legal," eh? :wink:
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Post by LS1Leader » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:39 pm

You mean, with them slicks and skinnies he got there? :)

I've heard of people crazy enough to drive with skinnies on the street... Those wheels weren't meant to be driven on the street, and I've heard of a few cracking and failing because of it.

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Post by pontiacracer » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:55 am

Mike_E wrote:
DeathShadow wrote:Manual Transmissions are def. better for racing by far.
sry dude but ur so wrong its not even funny, autos are soooo good for racing, because it can do it perfect every time, if u disagree than look at any drag event auto's are banned. if you are taking 2 stock cars, exactly the same manual wouldnt always win just by the fact of where the auto is programmed to shift if its under performance auto then it may shift at 4 or 5 rpms, and if the car has the Low gears u can shift thru em urself and redline it. and it depends how u drive em and such. FYI: i like standards better and i can see y a person who doesnt no how a car totally works, just has the concepts would see that, i only no because im a grease monkey
autos provide more consistent accelerations i.e. it does it at 10.8 every time. but manuals do in fact provide better acceleration when properly driven- you can pull 10.2.
its proven. look it up if you dont believe me
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Post by LS1Leader » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:29 pm

Tell that to the guy brake launching with a high stall torque converter. :roll:

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Post by Johnf514 » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:08 pm

Pontiacracer, what's your sig about?
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Post by Sypher » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:25 pm

Johnf514 wrote:Pontiacracer, what's your sig about?
LOL i think it's about cars.. and it's true LOL

I'd take reliable and fast :D
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Post by potownrob » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:34 pm

I think pontiacracer's are fast and cheap. Haven't heard much about Fieros being reliable and GM wasn't putting out the best quality cars back then, but I could be wrong :) .
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Post by Sypher » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:22 pm

potownrob wrote:I think pontiacracer's are fast and cheap. Haven't heard much about Fieros being reliable and GM wasn't putting out the best quality cars back then, but I could be wrong :) .
well from what it sound, it probably have been completely rebuilt with non-stock parts... I could be wrong too lol...
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