New, old, and excited
-
- Junior Standardshifter
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:54 am
New, old, and excited
Hi everyone!
First, thanks to anyone who is reading this. These forums have been invaluable the past couple weeks and I suspect they will continue to be for quite a while into the future. I always get warm fuzzies when I find a friendly and welcoming forum hiding in the wild internets.
Brief bit about me: I'm 31 and just learned to drive standard (that's the 'new' part).
I learned from my father-in-law, because he was giving me the (free) car. Talk about nerve wracking.
But I survived! And earned the car!
And then immediately regressed and forgot how to drive like the very next day. Like stalled at every.single.stop.
Went out with my dad for an hour and got settled back in, been driving the car every day since (about 2 weeks).
Problem area:
Main problem is downshifting (preparing for a turn mostly - downshifting at other times like slow traffic ahead seems to go fine for me). Not sure it's really a "problem" just something that makes me nervous. I've been practicing a bit though and I think that's getting significantly better as I do it and gain confidence. They're pretty smooth so I don't know why it makes me nervous.
I had a habit at first of holding the clutch in for the whole turn while braking, and then shifting to 2nd and accelerating out while engaging the clutch again.
This didn't feel as good as when I'd be in a lower gear just before the turn, so I could brake and accelerate as needed in the turn itself.
So I've been trying to work on downshifting after braking just before the turn, but on some turns there is still braking I want to do, so I don't want to hit the accelerator as I come off the clutch, but I'm scared that if I just ease off the clutch while braking (with no acceleration added) that it'll be lurchy.
But what about the car? (This is the 'old' part).
It's a 1997 VW Cabrio with a new transmission (father in law somehow threw it into reverse when pissed at some guy on the interstate, so it got a new trans right away) and like 130k miles.
Leaky softtop, stained up interior (thx to leaking), half-working AC and Heat, all kinds of exterior dings and discolorations.
And I love it to pieces. Favorite car I've ever owned.
I think because I had to "earn" it by learning to drive standard. And then I found out none of my tough-acting guy friends can even drive stick! Hah! Now I'm the cool one.
And I'm never going back!
(that's the excited part)
Although hopefully I get better at it, and more confident, so I can be safer on the road. I have to make a trip up 95 from Richmond to DC-area this weekend and I have little interstate experience in the car thus far. I am hoping I can putter along amiably and not have to try and do any rev-match downshifts or whatever in order to pass someone
Cheers!
First, thanks to anyone who is reading this. These forums have been invaluable the past couple weeks and I suspect they will continue to be for quite a while into the future. I always get warm fuzzies when I find a friendly and welcoming forum hiding in the wild internets.
Brief bit about me: I'm 31 and just learned to drive standard (that's the 'new' part).
I learned from my father-in-law, because he was giving me the (free) car. Talk about nerve wracking.
But I survived! And earned the car!
And then immediately regressed and forgot how to drive like the very next day. Like stalled at every.single.stop.
Went out with my dad for an hour and got settled back in, been driving the car every day since (about 2 weeks).
Problem area:
Main problem is downshifting (preparing for a turn mostly - downshifting at other times like slow traffic ahead seems to go fine for me). Not sure it's really a "problem" just something that makes me nervous. I've been practicing a bit though and I think that's getting significantly better as I do it and gain confidence. They're pretty smooth so I don't know why it makes me nervous.
I had a habit at first of holding the clutch in for the whole turn while braking, and then shifting to 2nd and accelerating out while engaging the clutch again.
This didn't feel as good as when I'd be in a lower gear just before the turn, so I could brake and accelerate as needed in the turn itself.
So I've been trying to work on downshifting after braking just before the turn, but on some turns there is still braking I want to do, so I don't want to hit the accelerator as I come off the clutch, but I'm scared that if I just ease off the clutch while braking (with no acceleration added) that it'll be lurchy.
But what about the car? (This is the 'old' part).
It's a 1997 VW Cabrio with a new transmission (father in law somehow threw it into reverse when pissed at some guy on the interstate, so it got a new trans right away) and like 130k miles.
Leaky softtop, stained up interior (thx to leaking), half-working AC and Heat, all kinds of exterior dings and discolorations.
And I love it to pieces. Favorite car I've ever owned.
I think because I had to "earn" it by learning to drive standard. And then I found out none of my tough-acting guy friends can even drive stick! Hah! Now I'm the cool one.
And I'm never going back!
(that's the excited part)
Although hopefully I get better at it, and more confident, so I can be safer on the road. I have to make a trip up 95 from Richmond to DC-area this weekend and I have little interstate experience in the car thus far. I am hoping I can putter along amiably and not have to try and do any rev-match downshifts or whatever in order to pass someone
Cheers!
- theholycow
- Master Standardshifter
- Posts: 16021
- Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:36 pm
- Cars: '80 Buick LeSabre 4.1 5MT
- Location: Glocester, RI
- Contact:
Re: New, old, and excited
Welcome!
However, you can also rev-match. You can undershoot your target RPM, enough to smooth your clutch engagement but not enough to accelerate the car. This too takes practice.
If there's heavy traffic at varying speeds (but not stopped) then you either have to get comfortable with downshifting or get comfortable with not weaving, ducking, and dodging, just ride along like a good little sheep in formation with the cars in front and behind.
If there's backed up stopped traffic...well that's annoying no matter what you drive, but the extra pedal does exacerbate it a bit. The best strategy is to idle along in 1st gear with a lot of space in front of you. Other cars will cut in, and they'll cut right back out when the other lane moves. I don't always have the self-discipline for that so I work my clutch leg a lot when I get stuck in a traffic jam.
The key word there is "ease". You can do it, but until you have a lot of practice you'll have to spend a lot of time easing that clutch to accomplish a smooth non-rev-matched downshift.krimsonidol wrote:on some turns there is still braking I want to do, so I don't want to hit the accelerator as I come off the clutch, but I'm scared that if I just ease off the clutch while braking (with no acceleration added) that it'll be lurchy.
However, you can also rev-match. You can undershoot your target RPM, enough to smooth your clutch engagement but not enough to accelerate the car. This too takes practice.
Wow! Mythbusters tried it and declared it impossible but of course they never account for all the variables. That father-in-law might want to get some help for that rage, it can't be healthy for him (not to mention the sometimes-innocent people who might get in his way), but of course you aren't the person to tell him.father in law somehow threw it into reverse when pissed at some guy on the interstate, so it got a new trans right away
My car's a piece of crap by most people's standards and I love it to pieces too.Leaky softtop, stained up interior (thx to leaking), half-working AC and Heat, all kinds of exterior dings and discolorations.
And I love it to pieces. Favorite car I've ever owned.
Decent interstate is the easiest manual driving you'll ever do. You probably will never have to downshift if traffic stays above 50mph...or if you're patient, 35mph. Don't be afraid to use your accelerator pedal's entire travel, you're not driving an automatic anymore so it won't suddenly downshift on you...your throttle is no longer also your transmission controller.Although hopefully I get better at it, and more confident, so I can be safer on the road. I have to make a trip up 95 from Richmond to DC-area this weekend and I have little interstate experience in the car thus far. I am hoping I can putter along amiably and not have to try and do any rev-match downshifts or whatever in order to pass someone
If there's heavy traffic at varying speeds (but not stopped) then you either have to get comfortable with downshifting or get comfortable with not weaving, ducking, and dodging, just ride along like a good little sheep in formation with the cars in front and behind.
If there's backed up stopped traffic...well that's annoying no matter what you drive, but the extra pedal does exacerbate it a bit. The best strategy is to idle along in 1st gear with a lot of space in front of you. Other cars will cut in, and they'll cut right back out when the other lane moves. I don't always have the self-discipline for that so I work my clutch leg a lot when I get stuck in a traffic jam.
Last edited by theholycow on Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
1980 Buick LeSabre 4.1L 5MT
Put your car in your sig!
Learn to launch/FAQs/lugging/misused terms: meta-sig
Put your car in your sig!
Learn to launch/FAQs/lugging/misused terms: meta-sig
watkins wrote:Humans have rear-biased AWD. Cows have 4WD
Re: New, old, and excited
Welcome to the forum. Just for the record, I almost always prefer to downshift before entering a turn.
Re: New, old, and excited
Welcome! Most of what you said was covered by the Bovine One but I'd definitely agree that interstate/highway travel is very easy in a manual. If you think about it, the biggest fears of (new) manual drivers are hills and stop and go traffic. If the roads are working properly and the government hasn't found a way to close them all with construction, you face neither of those in your travels! So that interstate trip should be fun, easy, and relaxing (pending you don't get rained on too hard with your car, I guess).
As you've noticed, ask any questions you might have: from what dog you should adopt to what in the world did Rope-Pusher just post. Enjoy the ride
As you've noticed, ask any questions you might have: from what dog you should adopt to what in the world did Rope-Pusher just post. Enjoy the ride
'15 Mazda 3 iSport Hatch 6MT
'11 Ford Fiesta Hatchback SE 5MT
'14 Giant Escape City 24MT
'97 Honda Civic EX 4AT - Retired @ 184,001 mi
For Pony!
'11 Ford Fiesta Hatchback SE 5MT
'14 Giant Escape City 24MT
'97 Honda Civic EX 4AT - Retired @ 184,001 mi
For Pony!
- FDSpirit
- Master Standardshifter
- Posts: 6157
- Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:23 pm
- Cars: 2000 Honda Civic Si
- Location: Troy/Albany, NY
- Contact:
Re: New, old, and excited
Sup. Seems like we're getting a few new people here, which is always good.
2000 Honda Civic Si- Slightly faster than your grandmomma's grocery getter......slightly.
-
- Junior Standardshifter
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:54 am
Re: New, old, and excited
Apparently the manual transmission isn't as dead in the US as some make it seem.FDSpirit wrote:Sup. Seems like we're getting a few new people here, which is always good.
Re: New, old, and excited
Oh, it is as dead... EVERY single person that drives one is now on this forum. Feel special, yet?
*Disclaimer, if this ever happens, let's just all switch back to riding horses... because that would be a terrible day...
*Disclaimer, if this ever happens, let's just all switch back to riding horses... because that would be a terrible day...
'15 Mazda 3 iSport Hatch 6MT
'11 Ford Fiesta Hatchback SE 5MT
'14 Giant Escape City 24MT
'97 Honda Civic EX 4AT - Retired @ 184,001 mi
For Pony!
'11 Ford Fiesta Hatchback SE 5MT
'14 Giant Escape City 24MT
'97 Honda Civic EX 4AT - Retired @ 184,001 mi
For Pony!
- theholycow
- Master Standardshifter
- Posts: 16021
- Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:36 pm
- Cars: '80 Buick LeSabre 4.1 5MT
- Location: Glocester, RI
- Contact:
Re: New, old, and excited
That is one shifter knob I do NOT want to grab.Squint wrote:*Disclaimer, if this ever happens, let's just all switch back to riding horses... because that would be a terrible day...
1980 Buick LeSabre 4.1L 5MT
Put your car in your sig!
Learn to launch/FAQs/lugging/misused terms: meta-sig
Put your car in your sig!
Learn to launch/FAQs/lugging/misused terms: meta-sig
watkins wrote:Humans have rear-biased AWD. Cows have 4WD
Re: New, old, and excited
LOL...sadly, you're probably not that far off from the truth. Some day this forum just might be the majority of stick shift drivers!Squint wrote:Oh, it is as dead... EVERY single person that drives one is now on this forum. Feel special, yet?
.
-
- Master Standardshifter
- Posts: 4029
- Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:04 pm
- Cars: 17 Mazda6 To, 18 Mazda3 i
- Location: Shakopee, MN
Re: New, old, and excited
Old Raisin Bran Crunch commercial:theholycow wrote:That is one shifter knob I do NOT want to grab.Squint wrote:*Disclaimer, if this ever happens, let's just all switch back to riding horses... because that would be a terrible day...
"So, when are we going to tell him that's a boy cow?"
I know, not the same animal, but they go hand in hand.
Last edited by tankinbeans on Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Master Standardshifter
- Posts: 4029
- Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:04 pm
- Cars: 17 Mazda6 To, 18 Mazda3 i
- Location: Shakopee, MN
Re: New, old, and excited
Welcome.
Smooth out your down-shifts with the clutch. I used to do it all the time (only been driving a manual daily since March), and just learned how to rev-match (heel-toeing will be an adventure for another time) and still goof it up. One day you'll get the urge to dance and will start trying to figure it out and then you'll be able to practice a new skill.
One major piece of advice I got when first starting out was to stop thinking. If you have to pull "a Homer" and say, "shut up brain, or I will stab you with a Q-Tip." It'll get the hint and leave you alone.
On hills, if it's possible practice in a driveway. The other day I was in my friend's, fairly steep, driveway and was practicing my starts. I'd let it roll to the bottom, with the clutch disengaged, and then bring it back to the top (and I didn't kill it once). Now, if I could only do that consistently on real hills. There is also a hill by my gym that is fairly steep, definite rollage if not done right, that never has any real traffic on it (it's a tertiary road) and I practice on that all the time since hills and I have a love/hate relationship.
Smooth out your down-shifts with the clutch. I used to do it all the time (only been driving a manual daily since March), and just learned how to rev-match (heel-toeing will be an adventure for another time) and still goof it up. One day you'll get the urge to dance and will start trying to figure it out and then you'll be able to practice a new skill.
One major piece of advice I got when first starting out was to stop thinking. If you have to pull "a Homer" and say, "shut up brain, or I will stab you with a Q-Tip." It'll get the hint and leave you alone.
On hills, if it's possible practice in a driveway. The other day I was in my friend's, fairly steep, driveway and was practicing my starts. I'd let it roll to the bottom, with the clutch disengaged, and then bring it back to the top (and I didn't kill it once). Now, if I could only do that consistently on real hills. There is also a hill by my gym that is fairly steep, definite rollage if not done right, that never has any real traffic on it (it's a tertiary road) and I practice on that all the time since hills and I have a love/hate relationship.
-
- Junior Standardshifter
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:47 pm
Re: New, old, and excited
Welcome! Even if you are older than I am to this haven, the reach of courtesy extends further than that of a boxer!