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Post by scionkid » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:11 pm

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Throwing it into neutral is another idea that works. But believe it or not, one of the NHTSA reports quoted a stuck throttle victim as saying, "I put the shifter into neutral, but the engine sounded like it was going to blow up, so I put it back in drive. The car still kept going ..."
I'm still trying to find this NHTSA report. Some people and automobiles don't mix.

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Post by watkins » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:46 pm

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Post by theholycow » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:10 pm

I've been discussing this on other forums.

Blowing up an engine > killing a motorcyclist (as happened in the Lexus example that spurred the Toyota recall), pedestrian, or yourself. That's if your car doesn't have a rev limiter.

Turning the key to off > the other options.

Pulling the gas pedal up from the floor mat is also a pretty decent option...

In the time it took to call 911, I could think of and type out many options that would have done the job. The 911 operator couldn't think of those ideas either, and also didn't think to send a firetruck to slow down in front of the car.
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Post by Rope-Pusher » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:12 am

theholycow wrote:I've been discussing this on other forums.

Blowing up an engine > killing a motorcyclist (as happened in the Lexus example that spurred the Toyota recall), pedestrian, or yourself. That's if your car doesn't have a rev limiter.

Turning the key to off > the other options.

Pulling the gas pedal up from the floor mat is also a pretty decent option...

In the time it took to call 911, I could think of and type out many options that would have done the job. The 911 operator couldn't think of those ideas either, and also didn't think to send a firetruck to slow down in front of the car.
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Post by watkins » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:42 am

Indeed. Slush drivers have slush for brains
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Post by Rope-Pusher » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:52 am

watkins wrote:Indeed. Slush drivers have slush for brains
Slush is their fate.
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Post by watkins » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:59 am

Its really slush a shame
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Post by Rope-Pusher » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:10 am

Slush is life....and then we die.
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Post by watkins » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:59 am

You used the same phrasing twice. That is unacceptable.
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Post by theholycow » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:10 am

When I was learning to drive, the first thing my dad told me was if I couldn't stop the car (brakes failed, throttle stuck, whatever) I should turn the key to "Off". I never forgot it. Since then I've figured out plenty of other ways; neutral, steering into something that will stop the car without hurting me (scrape along a guardrail, get stuck in a ditch, enjoy my air bags as I hit a lightweight parked car, whatever), etc...but I've never forgotten that I can still just shut the damn thing off.

When you shut it off in D, you can't turn it all the way back to lock the steering wheel.

I've kinda always assumed that it was common knowledge to shut it off if it's out of control. I guess not.
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Post by LHOswald » Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:07 pm

theholycow wrote:I've kinda always assumed that it was common knowledge to shut it off if it's out of control. I guess not.
the one thing my dad taught me when i was driving, that will always stick with me for the rest of my life and that i pass on with everyone that is willing to listen is: You can't assume that everyone else is as smart as you are.
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Re: Floor Mats

Post by fa22raptorf22 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:20 pm

Slush boxes and watermelons.

What have automobiles become today?

..........A fruit stand?

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Post by Tinton » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:03 pm

theholycow wrote:When I was learning to drive, the first thing my dad told me was if I couldn't stop the car (brakes failed, throttle stuck, whatever) I should turn the key to "Off". I never forgot it. Since then I've figured out plenty of other ways; neutral, steering into something that will stop the car without hurting me (scrape along a guardrail, get stuck in a ditch, enjoy my air bags as I hit a lightweight parked car, whatever), etc...but I've never forgotten that I can still just shut the damn thing off.

When you shut it off in D, you can't turn it all the way back to lock the steering wheel.

I've kinda always assumed that it was common knowledge to shut it off if it's out of control. I guess not.
I had a problem like this a few years back, I was driving my '86 Fiero SE on a mountain run and I looked down to see the temp gauge pegged at like 320* F :shock:. My first instinct was to save the engine so I turned the ignition to "Off", what happened next is when it got interesting :evil:. I didn't know about turning it back to "Acc" or "Run", so the steering wheel locked and I panicked, going like 45-50 on a mountain with no steering, no power, and manual brakes :shock:. The car ended up going into a pretty shallow ditch and it stopped without really damaging anything (I'm damn glad I still had braking, lol, even w/o power assist). So, yes, turning off your car can make things a lot worse :lol:, at least if you forget to turn the key back to "acc" or w/e.
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Post by Rope-Pusher » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:35 pm

The post from Toyota sez to apply the brakes one time only (no pumping, so the stored "Boost" vacuum doesn't get bled off) and for those with keyless ignition switch, to depress the ignition/starter button one time, holding it depressed until the engine shuts off. I guess it functions like the reset button on my desktop confuser here and short taps just don't shut it down. Also, remember that anything more than three (3) taps is masturbation.
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Post by theholycow » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:35 am

Tinton wrote:So, yes, turning off your car can make things a lot worse :lol:, at least if you forget to turn the key back to "acc" or w/e.
That is an exception for manual transmission equipped cars...automatics won't let you turn it to "Lock" except when you're in 'P'. In any of RND321 it kills the engine but keeps steering.
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