Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by eggwich delfiero » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:47 pm

watkins wrote:
eggwich delfiero wrote:The demographics of new Saab buyers are obviously going to be different than VW/Honda/Mustang buyers because Saabs are more expensive.
Saabs are actually cheaper in many cases than most other brands. As Kevin and I have lauded many times, Saabs depreciate unfairly. For this reason, there really isnt any better bang for the buck brand out there.

My 1999 top spec car cost $5500.
Thats 225hp/252tq, power windows, power locks, dual power seats, keyless entry and security system, moon roof, steering wheel radio controls, single CD in dash, 6 disc changer in trunk, leather, heated seats, mirror defrosters, and the addition of side airbags.

Now compare that to my friend's '95 Mustang 5.slow. It has essentially none of those features and nearly identical power (I think the Viggen actually has more) and it cost him $4000. [Yes, this kid is a massive dick/redneck. Still like the guy though]

Or a 2008 Focus for $15000 with the only similarities being airbags, a single CD in dash, and trading my 6 disc for an aux-in. I dont think shaving under 130k miles and all of those features is worth nearly $10k.

Of course there is the excellent fuel economy and fun in a practical package.
Dude, are you serious? I think you may practice "selective attention". The above sentence clearly references new Saab buyers. Depreciation is irrelevant. I'm doing my best to be nice, my very best, but here's my selective version of reality now that you've got me all pissy again.

1. Your car may be a MY 1999, but it's built off a much older Vauxhall platform not exactly famous for it's dependability and structural integrity.
2. Turbo cars depreciate at a higher rate partially because turbos are finicky little beasts that are difficult to keep running optimally, and are very expensive to replace. Dyno your car and see how close you are to 225 hp after 130K miles. Maintenance costs on a turbo car are generally higher than on a naturally aspirated car, leading to increased depreciation.
3. You're comparing a $5500 car with one that costs 37% less and is four years older. What is this supposed to prove exactly? If said redneck were to invest 1500 in a supercharger, turbo, or new heads to even out price points, he will blow you away. (until you reach a corner lol)
4. You can buy a 2010 Ford Focus S for under $15,000 (http://frontierford.com/Santa_Clara_New_Ford_Cars.html), so I'm sure you can find a better deal than 15K on a 2008. And a new Focus must come with at least a three year/36,000 mile warranty, and is more affordable to insure. Purchase price is not an indicator of True Cost to Own (Edmunds.com has a great metric on there site on actual cost of owning different vehicles.) And I will trade a difference of 130K miles for a bunch of comfort technology every day of the week. I'm from the simplicity school: the more electric doodads in your car, the more electrical demons there are, the more components there are to break down over time, the more cost there is to maintain the car. I am not alone in this approach, and this is part of the reason why Saabs and other upscale brands depreciate so much (I won't even get into the differences of cost for parts and labor). One man's comfort features are another man's unneccesary weight and repairs. Why you're comparing a ten year old sport sedan with a new economy compact car in the first place is beyond me.

So please, love your car, but get off the mountain of righteousness. There are other reasons that people don't buy Saabs besides us all being idiots that just don't know any better.

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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by Silverado » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:05 am

Your Saab Viggen in blue looks... nice.

Does that count for a nice thing about Saab?
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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by watkins » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:29 am

eggwich delfiero wrote:Dude, are you serious? I think you may practice "selective attention". The above sentence clearly references new Saab buyers. Depreciation is irrelevant. I'm doing my best to be nice, my very best, but here's my selective version of reality now that you've got me all pissy again.
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Hold your horses buckaroo. I missed the word "new". It happens.
The point about the Mustang wasnt the age, it was the features. If it were the same year, it would probably be worth more even lacking all the goodies. The Focus is priced per 2008 pricing, and I forgot a handful of features. Im just listing some examples Im personally familiar with.

All I was saying is that a loaded Saab can be picked up on the cheap compared with many other cars out there.
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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by eggwich delfiero » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:42 am

watkins wrote: All I was saying is that a loaded Saab can be picked up on the cheap compared with many other cars out there.
Fair enough. I make mistakes too. Everyday. I guess I was just interpreting your statements as "Saabs are better than all and all who do not recognize this be fools" rather than "here's why I like Saabs." I may have overreacted. I do that. Everyday. :lol:

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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by watkins » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:46 am

I accept your offer of friendship. I also enjoy that rather bedazzling vehicular backside.

But you see, Saabs are the most bestester cars out there. Duh :roll:
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Post by RITmusic2k » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:17 am

Silverado wrote:Your Saab Viggen in blue looks... nice.

Does that count for a nice thing about Saab?
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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by ElectroGhandi » Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:17 am

eggwich delfiero wrote:[the more electric doodads in your car, the more electrical demons there are, the more components there are to break down over time
I wish I had crank windows in my car. The motors are quite worn out (particularly the back windows) and it's really unnerving when the windows take forever to get back up after they are put down. One day the windows aren't going to go back up and then I'm f**k because I keep my car outside. I don't want squirrels, bugs, and wet inside my car.
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Re: Attention all Viggen shoppers... (updated 10/08/09)

Post by watkins » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:59 pm

What about vagrants and friendly hobos?
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