watkins wrote:Cars were far more simple back then. There are more control modules in the Jeep than you can imagine. There were probably enough to count on one hand in the old 4Runner. Wouldnt surprise me in the least if there are just as many issues with the new one as there are with a comparable Grand Cherokee. More things that can go wrong means that there are more things that will go wrong.
Back then? LOL....Don't kid yourself. It's not like the 4Runner was an old carb engine vehicle with a manual choke. LOL. Sure, it's not cutting edge technology today, but it still had the majority of features that you see on today's SUVs, including a lot of the electronic systems (yes, it has Toyota's STAR Safety System). Does the Jeep have even more? Sure it does. But so what? Half the stuff wrong with the Jeep is basic stuff on all vehicles, not cutting-edge technology.
And no, the newest 4Runners don't have anywhere near the issues as the new Grand Cherokees. Toyota, in general, is vastly superior to Jeep when it comes to building an SUV that has far fewer issues and is inherently more reliable. Jeep has been on the bottom of the reliability rankings for quite some time now. I think only Land Rover is worse when it comes to SUVs.
Anyway, I'd never make excuses for Jeep because there really is no excuse. They put an 8-speed transmission (a true ZF in the V8 and diesel, and a Chrysler-modified version of the ZF in the V6) that has been huge headaches for a lot of owners. That started in the 2014 model year. Mine is a 2015. I had hoped that they'd iron out the bugs by the second year, but that's obviously not the case. It's just a shame that they didn't spend more time working through the issues before they started building the Grand Cherokee with the 8-speed.
I can't complain because I knew what I was getting myself into. The honest truth is that I haven't had an American vehicle in a long time and I really wanted to buy American. Well, the Jeep is such a POS that I'll most definitely be going back to an import again shortly. I took a gamble, but I lost this time.