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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:49 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:08 am 
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I don't know if I like the look of those.

I'm more into something like this:

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although most things look better on an STI. :lol:

I might just stick with the short shifter/bushings for now. Rims + tires can get pretty pricey.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:30 am 
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Dinjew say something suddenly went south with your shifting (in another thread, praps?)

Didjew fined N E thing obviously wrong, like a shift cable clip that went "Popov Andropov"?

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:02 pm 
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Yeah, there's still something funny going on with the shifter. I didn't really get any definitive answers from NASIOC, other than to replace the bushings (which you didn't think would present a problem on a car as new as mine).

I'd take a look at some of the possible issues that you came up with, but I don't really know what to look at. I'd also have to get some of my tools from work.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 6:49 pm 
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Yeah, there's still something funny going on with the shifter. I didn't really get any definitive answers from NASIOC, other than to replace the bushings (which you didn't think would present a problem on a car as new as mine).

I'd take a look at some of the possible issues that you came up with, but I don't really know what to look at. I'd also have to get some of my tools from work.

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This image shows the interior and exterior end of a typical gearshift cable.
The black nylon-covered part of the cable is the "Conduit". It consists of an inner liner (Teflon, PBT, nylon, etc.) surrounded by the "Laywires", over which the black jacketing has been extruded. If it has been heat damaged, the shifting will be very "spongy" and "draggy" (especially draggy if the liner isn't made from Teflon).

The "Conduit End-fittings or "Ferrules" are crimped onto each end of the conduit. They provide an attachment feature for at the reaction bracket / cable mounting bracket at the transmission and for at the shifter front flange (Rear flange if your name is Mr. 2) It is typical for a spring-steel clip to secure these connecting points, although clipless attachments are getting to be more common. If the clip is missing, the conduit end-fitting backs away from the bracker / shifter when the cable corewire is under tension loading. This can make things feel spongy in one shifting direction and not in the other.

The conduit end-fittings may also contain bushings that help isolate noise from shifting, engine noise and transmission noise. These isolator bushings are protected inside steel cans and rarely go bad.

"Support Tubes" that swivel extend from the conduit end-fittings toward the transmission shift levers and/or shifter output levers. If they are broken or pulled out of their swivels, the corewire will be unsupported under compressive loading and will kink and fatigue where it bends. Shifting will feel real spongy at first, followed by real draggy as a sharp kink forms and then it can either seize-up or free-up as the corewire breaks in two.

The "End-Rods" are ~1/4" diameter steel rods crimped onto the corewire ends, typically with eyes/rings for bushings at the tips. These attach to pins or ball-studs on the transmission shift levers or the shifter output levers. May self-retain to the ball-stud or a groove on the pin, or require a clip or pin (and maybe a washer or two) to be retained. If an isolator bushing is used to smooth the shift and reduce NVH, it may eventually become cracked, etc. and need replacement. This would result in a spongy, imprecise shift feel.

"Environmental Boot" or a "Wiper Seal" may be used on the exterior end of the cable to keep water, dirt, noise, fumes, etc. from getting into the cable. Water will freeze in cold weather and dirt just makes things feel gritty and wear out sooner.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:09 pm 
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Did I mention that those of us of the Amish persuasion require a set of gearshift cables, one for shifting (Fore/Aft shift knob motion) into and out of a gear and the other for selecting (cross-car shift knob motion) a shift gate?

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:20 pm 
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Rod linkage FTW! Sucks for you cable guys

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:36 pm 
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Shifter sprouting straight out of the transmission through the floor FTW! Sucks for you linkage guys.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:53 pm 
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I have no idea. This is not my area of expertise. I may just talk to the people at the stealership when I go in for an oil change. I'm thoroughly confused.....maybe it's the whiskey, maybe it's the head cold.

I'd like to throw in a short shifter/bushings at some point anyway. Hopefully I can do that by myself.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:07 pm 
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Cables got nuthin' tubby shamed of. Rod linkage lets through much more noise and vibration and knob-bobble from powertrain motion. I've engineered and owned both species.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:12 pm 
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Rope-Pusher wrote:
Cables got nuthin' tubby shamed of. Rod linkage lets through much more noise and vibration and knob-bobble from powertrain motion. I've engineered and owned both species.


I like my knob being bobbed on....I think that's still the whiskey talking.

I've been looking some stuff up and I'm still not sure whether my car is of the cable or rod type linkage. Maybe it's more obvious and I'm just missing something. I'm sick and tired and I have to work tomorrow. I'll deal with this later.

I do thank you for the information though RP.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:15 pm 
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4onthefloor wrote:
Rope-Pusher wrote:
Cables got nuthin' tubby shamed of. Rod linkage lets through much more noise and vibration and knob-bobble from powertrain motion. I've engineered and owned both species.


I like my knob being bobbed on....I think that's still the whiskey talking.

I've been looking some stuff up and I'm still not sure whether my car is of the cable or rod type linkage. Maybe it's more obvious and I'm just missing something. I'm sick and tired and I have to work tomorrow. I'll deal with this later.

I do thank you for the information though RP.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:53 pm 
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theholycow wrote:
Shifter sprouting straight out of the transmission through the floor FTW! Sucks for you linkage guys.

Ditto.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:28 pm 
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Everybody has linkage, it's just what kind of linkage do they have. I have yet to see a transmission where you stick your fingers inside and flick the synchro collar by hand, but this one comes close!

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:36 pm 
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Rope-Pusher wrote:
Everybody has linkage, it's just what kind of linkage do they have. I have yet to see a transmission where you stick your fingers inside and flick the synchro collar by hand, but this one comes close!

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True, but not everybody has cables...

BTW, what kind of weird contraption is that? Was it ever used in any kind of production vehicle? Never saw anything like it before...

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