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Thats what I was trying to say with my sandpaper analogy. I'm not too good at saying things exactly as I mean them, so metaphors seem to work best for me.jomotopia wrote:snirko you're on the right track. just for an example slipping for 2 seconds at 1k and 1 second at 2k would probably both be about the same wear on the clutch i think.
and eaglecatcher's right, take everything GSR says with a grain, nay, a shaker, of salt.
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Just try to avoid a lot of sputtery (near stall) launches, because these will damage the drivetrain over time.snikro wrote:Well, I've seemed to answer my own question by browsing the forum. Found a quote by Prodigal Son, about no gas starts:
"You will have to clutch out slower with a no-gas start, but the torque running throught the clutch is very low. In fact, a no gas start should be easier on the clutch than any other."
So I guess launching at low rpm is alright, because at lower rpm, the torque running through the clutch would be lower.
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Oh crap, I tend to do those a lot. Maybe toooo little throttle. Sometimes my rpm will drop to 500 in the middle of the launch if it's really bad. But does this also mean that no-gas starts are bad for the drivetrain, or are those not near-stall?Hatchman wrote:Just try to avoid a lot of sputtery (near stall) launches, because these will damage the drivetrain over time.snikro wrote:Well, I've seemed to answer my own question by browsing the forum. Found a quote by Prodigal Son, about no gas starts:
"You will have to clutch out slower with a no-gas start, but the torque running throught the clutch is very low. In fact, a no gas start should be easier on the clutch than any other."
So I guess launching at low rpm is alright, because at lower rpm, the torque running through the clutch would be lower.
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no gas starts shouldn't be too hard on the engine b/c you're not adding any throttle. either the car stays at idle or it stalls. as i understand it, what the engine doesn't like is having too much throttle applied when it's unable to produce enough power and raise the revs.
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Aka lugging?jomotopia wrote:no gas starts shouldn't be too hard on the engine b/c you're not adding any throttle. either the car stays at idle or it stalls. as i understand it, what the engine doesn't like is having too much throttle applied when it's unable to produce enough power and raise the revs.
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My launches are perfect everytime. Not even a chance of a minor lug. it goes from 2000 to 5000 rpms in a flash. Its slipped at 2500, then it takes off like a cannon. Now if you guys wanna have fun with stick you should try driving it how its meant to be. Hey if I must replace my clutch once in 10 years so be it. But I highly doubt I'll even have it for ten years considering that I put 24 thousands miles on it a year. I like having new toys every 5 years anyways. Just got an 07 fxdl six speed 96 cubic inch motor, 1600 cc. This bike I am going to drive the same way I drive my car. Fast..vrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh.
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ok yeah, ummmm NOGSR wrote:Oh and I coulda swore that I was the one to come up with the sand paper analogy many many posts ago. But, the analogy was dealing with the friction created when revving the engine without a load on it. Man u guys cant come up with good stuff so u steal mine.
I believe it was either me or screenname that came up with that, and that was a while back, so I don't remember, all I remember is that it is a pretty good explanation of clutch wear.
If you had made that up, you would see what we're talking about.
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If you're slipping your clutch at 2500, you probably aren't going to get it to last 10 years, unless you're spinning your tires everywhere, or slamming into the car in front of you at a stop light.GSR wrote:My launches are perfect everytime. Not even a chance of a minor lug. it goes from 2000 to 5000 rpms in a flash. Its slipped at 2500, then it takes off like a cannon. Now if you guys wanna have fun with stick you should try driving it how its meant to be. Hey if I must replace my clutch once in 10 years so be it. But I highly doubt I'll even have it for ten years considering that I put 24 thousands miles on it a year. I like having new toys every 5 years anyways. Just got an 07 fxdl six speed 96 cubic inch motor, 1600 cc. This bike I am going to drive the same way I drive my car. Fast..vrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh.
People on here drive sticks like they should be driven. have you not heard of any of our stories, jomo's especially?
I know people who buy new cars every 3 years, because they don't want to have to worry about them breaking down. I don't necesarily agree with that, but if you've got the money to do it, knock yourself out.
And if you drive your bike shooting off like a cannon at every light, I'm pretty sure you may be in an ambulance shooting off to a hostpital when you get run over.
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You can do no-gas launches, as long as you don't get the sputter. To avoid the sputter, you musn't release the clutch too fast.snikro wrote:Oh crap, I tend to do those a lot. Maybe toooo little throttle. Sometimes my rpm will drop to 500 in the middle of the launch if it's really bad. But does this also mean that no-gas starts are bad for the drivetrain, or are those not near-stall?Hatchman wrote:Just try to avoid a lot of sputtery (near stall) launches, because these will damage the drivetrain over time.snikro wrote:Well, I've seemed to answer my own question by browsing the forum. Found a quote by Prodigal Son, about no gas starts:
"You will have to clutch out slower with a no-gas start, but the torque running throught the clutch is very low. In fact, a no gas start should be easier on the clutch than any other."
So I guess launching at low rpm is alright, because at lower rpm, the torque running through the clutch would be lower.
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No, pacroozer brought up the sandpaper thing first. I just twisted his words around so they would support my argument.eaglecatcher wrote:ok yeah, ummmm NO
I believe it was either me or screenname that came up with that, and that was a while back, so I don't remember, all I remember is that it is a pretty good explanation of clutch wear.