Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

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Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby tankinbeans » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:01 am

Hello all -

This isn't a question about Clifford, but his older brother Olie. Here goes, is it worth it for me to replace the steering gearbox?

Some back story. Since I've had him I've replaced all four bearings, repacked the differential, replaced all of the brakes, done the inner tie-rod ends on both sides, replaced the passenger's side front axle, and yesterday finally put on some new tires (the old ones were pretty severely cupped - I could see it without having to run my hand over them). The steering wheel is still very sloppy and doesn't have much weight when going forwards, but it seems to get tighter if I reverse. I've been doing some reading online and I'm finding posts about the rag-joint (I've never heard of it, but I'm also still trying to learn about these things) possibly being twacked. The boards are also saying that there is an adjustment screw on top, but that it's not recommended to do anything with it. I keep reading about a ZQ8 swap, but I don't think I'm interested in that.

I'm taking it back tonight so they can properly diagnose the issue. The tech said he'd give me a freebie since I was there so long yesterday due to their being short-staffed, and I've spent enough money in there already. I just figured I'd ask y'all and see what you'd think.

I know I've probably put more money into him than he's worth, but my thought is that I hope to get many years of use of out him and he's the first vehicle I've owned free and clear of any bank liens in a long time and I'd like to have him in case things go tits up and I find myself jobless and lose my car.

If InlinePaul or ClutchDisc see this, I'd be curious how they find the steering in the S10.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby ClutchDisc » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:50 am

The steering in my S-10 is very responsive.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby tankinbeans » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:52 am

ClutchDisc wrote:The steering in my S-10 is very responsive.

Would you think it's worth fixing the steering? Mine is very sloppy, but there are 214k on the clock. However the engine and transmission seem very strong yet.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby theholycow » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:23 am

It's a single chunky but still relatively minor repair. It's probably worth doing. How much is it estimated to cost? If you don't do it, what happens next? Do you buy a replacement vehicle? What would be your budget and specifications? Would you end up with another vehicle needing repairs? Better the devil you know, after all...right?

Can you describe better the symptom? It almost sounds like a wobbly steering column, which is just a few bolts buried under a bunch of bolts and springs and stuff. I wrote a howto:
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby ClutchDisc » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:37 am

tankinbeans wrote:
ClutchDisc wrote:The steering in my S-10 is very responsive.

Would you think it's worth fixing the steering? Mine is very sloppy, but there are 214k on the clock. However the engine and transmission seem very strong yet.

Depends what your plans for the vehicle are I guess. How long do you plan to keep it?
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby tankinbeans » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:17 am

Cow, there's a lot of excess play in the steering wheel andsteering seems to be relatively tight when reversing, but loosens up as I'm going forward. Maintaining a straight course requires more correction than should be necessary. I can not really feel anything when moving forward and then need to correct back the other way.

I know it's going to be different than a car, but damn. I should be getting an estimate tonight to see the cost.

ClutchDisc, this week be around for awhile if I have anything to say about it. I generally like it, but the repairs ate annoying. I know most of this is just neglected maintenance.

Right now I'm at that stage where most people would have probably gotten rid of it, but it's still completely serviceable and just requires things that would wear out after 16 years and 214k miles.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby tankinbeans » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:22 pm

Update: everything is tight and the tech didn't notice anything abnormal. It comes down to my being used to rack and pinion and being hyper-vigilant. Tech said it's nothing to worry about, and all the other work has rendered it pretty much like new.

He said the disadvantage to steering gear boxes is that they display more play than r and p, which is why most manufacturers got away from them.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby mtheis » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:48 pm

tankinbeans wrote:He said the disadvantage to steering gear boxes is that they display more play than r and p, which is why most manufacturers got away from them.

And they're way more complex than rack and pinion. I'd love to do the swap on my Celica someday. Its steering is perfect right now, but the gearbox leaks like crazy and it's a pain to replace the seal.
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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby Rope-Pusher » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:11 pm

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it's a pain to replace the seal.


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Re: Olie is a PITA, but I like him.

Postby theholycow » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:24 pm

Rope-Pusher wrote:
mtheis wrote:Image
it's a pain to replace the seal.


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