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I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby bk7794 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:36 pm

Cup holder placement.

On my Civic, the cup sits behind the shifter. This means when you're shifting around town, the cup does not get in the way. On my volvo, it sits directly behind the shifter. This means when you're shifting around town, the cup is right in the way and you need to have this awkward hand placement to shift.

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Volvo placement example, Mustang pictured but same thing.
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I know you're going to say, how many times do you have a cup? However, most of the time I am driving, I am commuting to or from work.

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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby tankinbeans » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:51 pm

I agree. Although I will say that the fore and aft placement is less irritating than the side by side placement because there isn't as much stretching of the wrist involved to shift. I currently have similar placement to the Mustang in Malcolm and it's generally okay; if the cups are big enough I rest my arm on the lid.

That said I wish more cars had useable cubbies to stow things like phones, wallets, and, increasingly, prox keys. The cupholder tends to be a catchall in my car and without a space for the key they fly about. First world problems I know.
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby bk7794 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:36 pm

I usually rest my arm on mine as well, though if its a coffee mug my mouth goes on the lid. I work at a place with lots of people so my coat could potentially carry a lot of germs/bacteria etc. I'd rather that not be in my cup.

It's just funny how it's something so overlooked. I never expected a 1990s car to have better cup holder/ergonomics than a modern day car.
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby Rope-Pusher » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:48 pm

bk7794 wrote:It's just funny how it's something so overlooked. I never expected a 1990s car to have better cup holder/ergonomics than a modern day car.

You're average 1990's car didn't have as much stuff on the Instrument Panel or center console as modern cars do. The AWD selectors, the big touch-screen displays, the heat seaters, the traction-control and/or stability control defeat switches,....stuff-n-storage takes center stage over Amish shifting these daze. That's also why you see more rotary or push-button slushbox shifters and electric park brakes - they take up less room than their ancestors did.
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Postby tankinbeans » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:05 pm

I think a good compromise might be the fore/aft placement along the right side of the shitter, parallel to 5/6 or 5/R. Obviously that would have to vary in LHD and RHD cars.
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby bk7794 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:18 pm

tankinbeans wrote:I think a good compromise might be the fore/aft placement along the right side of the shitter, parallel to 5/6 or 5/R. Obviously that would have to vary in LHD and RHD cars.


I think you're right. Though many cars probably don't have the real-estate. Some can barely fit the shifter.

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bk7794 wrote:It's just funny how it's something so overlooked. I never expected a 1990s car to have better cup holder/ergonomics than a modern day car.

You're average 1990's car didn't have as much stuff on the Instrument Panel or center console as modern cars do. The AWD selectors, the big touch-screen displays, the heat seaters, the traction-control and/or stability control defeat switches,....stuff-n-storage takes center stage over Amish shifting these daze. That's also why you see more rotary or push-button slushbox shifters and electric park brakes - they take up less room than their ancestors did.


I see the Fit actually managed to put the cupholders out of the way.

I have a feeling like a lot of cup holder locations are afterthoughts
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby potownrob » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:59 am

bk7794 wrote:I see the Fit actually managed to put the cupholders out of the way.

I have a feeling like a lot of cup holder locations are afterthoughts
you're telling me. don't forget cupholders were not as prevalent or required back in the 90s...be glad you didn't get an older civic...

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Postby AHTOXA » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:46 pm

My GTO came with a feature when I shifted into first, it changed radio stations for me.

That's what I call awesome design!
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Postby tankinbeans » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:55 am

AHTOXA wrote:My GTO came with a feature when I shifted into first, it changed radio stations for me.

That's what I call awesome design!

Reminds me of the most annoying feature in my first manual where I couldn't get into 4th at random times for no explicable reason.
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby theholycow » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:57 pm

AHTOXA wrote:My GTO came with a feature when I shifted into first, it changed radio stations for me.

That's what I call awesome design!

My wife's Sunfire has a similar feature. When you shift into 5th, the cap on a fast food cup pops off.

Also, the HVAC controls are hidden neatly behind the cup holders. If one or both cupholders should be occupied, it is nigh impossible to adjust temperature, fan, or mode. Makes me want to crash into a tree and use any broken branches to bash the cups and the HVAC panel.
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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby bk7794 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:53 pm

I love column shift automatics. If I get an automatic, it must have a column shift.

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Re: I think I found the worst thing about interior design for manual transmission cars

Postby tankinbeans » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:56 am

bk7794 wrote:I love column shift automatics. If I get an automatic, it must have a column shift.

Not sure why

I have no real preference either way except to say that column shitters allow greater flexibility in front seat layout. In Galadriel, my Buick, there's a column shitter allowing it to theoretically carry 6 cornfed Americans. The right bench seat is comfortable and column shitters allow for benches.
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