The VW GTD, Coming to the US in 2016?

[bk7794]

I must admit this car is really intriguing me. Might be something that I am willing to pick up, even if it is made in mexico.

For those of you who might not know what the GTD is. It is essentially a GTI...with a Diesel Yeah not as quick but who cares? Essentially grabs the suspension from the GTI with the fuel efficiency of a diesel engine.

I see varying numbers on the torque and power output. I expect horsepower to be over 150 and torque to be well into the 200s

Here are a few articles.

http://www.cheapestcarnews.com/2014-vol ... ne-and-mpg

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/03/vw-c ... -for-2016/

What are your thoughts?

[AHTOXA]

Not really sure on this; overall lukewarm on the car as it doesn't seem to strike a note that a GTI otherwise wouldn't.

[bk7794]

You know, I was just re-reading one of the articles and see that it's going to be priced between the Golf GTI and the Golf R. I thought they made the R every 4 years...? Regardless, I think that'd be around 25 or 26k. Kind of steep.

But yeah, might definitely look into a diesel for my next car.

[potownrob]

most VW outsiders won't understand the GTD and will get something like a corolla instead. many VW insiders (VW fans) are ready to jump on the GTD though. they are raving about the TDI as it is, and have been drooling over the GTD since it was mentioned as a possibility that it might ever come over to the states.

[Boston Fit]

VW's reputation for (un)reliability scares me. Otherwise, the Golf lineup would make a ton of sense.

Even so, if I'm in the market for a diesel, I think I would go for the better fuel economy of a Golf TDI over this GTD.

[potownrob]

VW's reputation for (un)reliability scares me. Otherwise, the Golf lineup would make a ton of sense.

yeah, it is a gamble, even now to a degree. i like to compare it to the sigma lens dilemma; they make great lenses that are arguably sharper than the competition, but the QC is not the best and some people end up with a bad lens.

Even so, if I'm in the market for a diesel, I think I would go for the better fuel economy of a Golf TDI over this GTD.

i hear you. many vw fans like sporty cars and like the TDI, but now their jaws are agape at the prospect of a sportier diesel car in the lineup.

[Saabstory02]

The current European model GTD already has 170 HP and 258 Ft-Lbs torque; the new one will bump those numbers up a bit.

I expect it will be pushing closer to 180-185 HP and probably pretty near 300 Ft-Lbs for the new model.

Current GTIs and TDIs are priced essentially identically with equal equipment. You either pay for a diesel engine in a sport equipped golf; or a sportier gas GTI with equivalent options. GTIs and Golf TDIs start at ~24,000 and go up. TDIs top out at around 28K while GTIs go up to a bit over 30K for a loaded one with leather.

The GTD will probably be starting around 27K and head up to about 33K fully loaded. And I guarantee you it will sell

It has all the handling and braking ability of the GTI with diesel torque and economy capabilities. Should be a monster once tuned as well

[Boston Fit]

yeah, it is a gamble, even now to a degree. i like to compare it to the sigma lens dilemma; they make great lenses that are arguably sharper than the competition, but the QC is not the best and some people end up with a bad lens.

That makes sense since manufacturers (of cars, camera lenses, other consumer goods) have to decide where to invest their resources in order to meet a given price point. For every dollar they spend on QC, that's one dollar taken out of some other bucket. That's a vast oversimplification, but it broadly illustrates why consumers must live with trade-offs between reliability, performance and other measures within a fixed budget. The same holds true for home purchases: a better school district might come at the expense of square footage, a bigger yard means a smaller kitchen, etc.

[potownrob]

sure hope this thing comes stateside. the tank is at the dealer getting work done and I got a jetta hybrid as a loaner car (should be happy they came through with a loaner). this thing is looks cool but is boring as the desert to drive (and sounds like an anemic bus). do find it odd they used a brand new hybrid (under 300 miles when I picked it up) as a loaner.



couldn't even average over 33 mpg pansy-footing it, 7 speed DSG (which is cool in and of itself) and all...

[tankinbeans]

That is kind of poopy for a hybrid, when I'm nice I get that in Clifford. Is it a full on hybrid like a Prius, or a "mild- hybrid" like GM's earlier attempts, and Honda's Accord?

[potownrob]

That is kind of poopy for a hybrid, when I'm nice I get that in Clifford. Is it a full on hybrid like a Prius, or a "mild- hybrid" like GM's earlier attempts, and Honda's Accord?

keep in mind I only drove 13 miles and was in traffic most of the time. I think it is a turbo hydrid (turbo 4 in conjunction with the electric motor). I heard the engine most of the time, to give you an idea. made me miss my 2.5 and really wish they had a TDI loaner

[Saabstory02]

It's a 170HP Turbo 4 cylinder hybrid; surprised though, I'd heard it was pretty fun to drive compared to most hybrids.

[potownrob]

i'll see how i like it tonight when the traffic should be calmer and the dashboard's all lit up. my sister is meeting up to ride in it and maybe drive it. not sure if that means she's interested in getting one.

[bk7794]

They probably had something destroyed when it came off the truck. I've seen some shady dealers try to sell new cars where the windshield is chipped in a few spots.

[potownrob]

They probably had something destroyed when it came off the truck. I've seen some shady dealers try to sell new cars where the windshield is chipped in a few spots.

well, the gas tank lid thing (that covers the gas filler hole and is the same color as the car but sometimes rubbery) is missing. think that would be an easy fix though.